Guam Again?

September 12, 2008


When the CNMI wants their agenda pushed in DC, who do they turn to? Guam. Who assisted the CNMI get the grandfathering provision removed from the federalization legislation? Guam. Remember Guam Resolution 80 and the letters written by Guam nativists and signed by Taotao Tano's Cruz? (Refresh your memory at this post, Guam Activists are Behind Anti-Federalization Letter Campaign.) Who joined Fitial in opposing the National Marine Monument? Guam Senator Judith Guthertz who was also the primary author of Resolution 80.

Predictably, the Guam Visitor's Bureau is now pushing for a year-long delay of PL 110-229. We'll have to wait to see if Guam Senator Judith Guthertz tosses in a Senate Resolution for good measure.

From the Saipan Tribune:
The Guam Visitors Bureau has backed the position of its counterpart in the CNMI by adopting a resolution that supports a delay in the implementation of federalization by another year, or until Oct. 1, 2010.

GVB board chair David B. Tydingco, along with 12 other board members, is convinced the Department of Homeland Security is not ready to implement the Consolidated Natural Resources Act of 2008 on Nov. 28 this year.

...Recently, the CNMI Marianas Visitors Authority adopted a resolution urging Guam Delegate Madeleine Bordallo and CNMI Delegate Gregorio Kilili C. Sablan to introduce legislation that would indefinitely delay the federalization law.

It cited, among other things, the impact to the CNMI of losing both Chinese and Russian markets.

MVA earlier disclosed that Russian and Chinese visitors accounted for 20 percent of the total number of tourists who visited the islands in FY 2008.
Convinced? Where is the evidence? I sat at the May 19, 2009 House Hearing and heard that they would be ready for the November 28, 2009 starting date and that they had the funds. Richard Barth, DHS Acting Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy testified saying:
In closing I hope that you will be reassured that DHS has given the implementation of the CNRA the appropriate priority and that DHS is working to ensure that its responsibilities under the CNRA will be executed in such a manner that minimizes any adverse impacts of the transition to the INA. We are working to ensure that we have the best information available and that we take into account the unique and special circumstances of this legislation and of the circumstances that exist in the CNMI at this time – especially the economic challenges faced by the CNMI in restoring its economy, implementing minimum wage increases, and increasing tourism and other investments in the CNMI.
During the hearing when questioned if the DHS would be ready to meet the November 28, 2009 deadline, the response was that they would. Have they made a statement that they could not since then? No, they have not. So why is anyone "convinced" that DHS cannot meet the deadline? Is that just wishful thinking?

If the CNMI and Guam want to pursue the issue of visa waivers, then they should do so. However, a year delay in the implementation of the law is not warranted.

There should be no delay.

80 comments:

Anonymous said...

Opposing the Federal Government is not un-patriotic, it is in fact an American right and our duty to do so. You still peddle the notion that the Department of Homeland Security taking over the CNMI's Immigration is about 'comprehensive immigration reform' designed to give long term guest workers 'better status'. It is not nor has the DHS ever mentioned that except to say that no one really knows what will happen. The Federal Government is a servant to the American Taxpayer, our tax dollars pay for services rendered. States, Cities, Counties and Citizens lodge complaints, sue and argue issues with the Feds on a daily basis.

DHS says that security is the reason behind the takeover of the CNMI's immigration. Security. If there is such a security problem why aren't the skies being patrolled or the waters for that matter at this very moment. They are not. Russians and Chinese tourists pose no more threat to National Security than Korean tourists. If anything Filipinos whose forged passports from Manila pose a much more serious problem for US Immigration. Abu Sayaf sleeper cells have probably been in the CNMI for decades. I leave you with one of my favorite critics of the Federal Government, Thomas Jefferson.

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

Wendy said...

What are you reading? Your comment is perhaps on the wrong post?

Many of the residents, not just the nonresidents in the CNMI welcome federalization. Most of those who fear it, who oppose it are looking out for their own self-interests and wish to maintain the status quo.

DHS did not decide the reasons for a takeover, the US Congress did. Read the intent of the law to see why there was a takeover. The reasons are not just security-based.

The residents of the CNMI voted to become part of the American family knowing full well the rights and responsibilities. Your quote is a good one. Consider the disenfranchised CNMI foreign workers, especially those who have lived and worked in the CNMI for 10 or more years, when you mouth it.

Covenant Supporter said...

Talk is cheap.

DHS may say they're ready, but where is the world-class-leading border “exit control” like the CNMI has? Where is the electronic visa process? Where are enhanced physical maritime patrols by the USCG?

The only reason DHS is barring Chinese (and to a lesser extent, Russian) tourists is as a quick-and-dirty fix to compensate for the lack of real security improvements as noted above.

Delay is needed so we don't sacrifice our economy on the altar of expedience and political correctness. Certainly not for its own sake, nor to enable another year of “slavery.”

“It's the economy, Stupid!”

Guam is on our side because they are much closer to the gound here and see what is happening. Our economic refugees move to Guam for jobs, and the many US citizens among them vote.

The CNMI is also fortunate that our Governor has excellent relations with Guam's leaders. Ben is doing everything possible to save his people from the calamities wrought by federalization, even at the cost of his own health.

Biba!

Pray for Saipan, especially its poorest in substandard housing, as the possible typhoon-strength winds of Tropical Storm 15W approach around 8:00 PM Monday.

Anonymous said...

Wendy,

The Marianas Islands belongs to the Chamorros and Carolinian. What is it that you do not understand about this relationship?

You make it sound like it is wrong because Saipan turned to Guam for help against the Feds? These islands do not belong to you or your Alien Workers so please butt out of our affairs!!! We all know that your goal is to give all your Kamabayans a US Citizenship!Nothing wrong with that! Just don't use our Homeland! Use yours? Where is your Homeland, by the way?

It is a local custom to turn to your own family if you need help! I do not know how things work in you Homeland and we do not care! Just butt out of our affairs!

Wendy said...

Anonymous 6:48

Are your serious? Who do you think funds the CNMI? The US taxpayers! As long as my tax dollars are flowing into the CNMI, it most definitely is my affair.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Wendy, I am serious! You keep forgetting that the Feds took our Homeland for dirt cheap! Stop saying that we are getting something for nothing! We gave up our Homeland for the security of the US of A! Have you given up anything to your Homeland?

Anonymous said...

Saipan, where a deal is NEVER a deal.

Anonymous said...

People like Wendy Doromal do not understand anything about the Covenant that was agreed upon 30 plus years ago! Yes, it was agreed and signed 30 plus years ago, but has anybody really tried to understand what were the situations back then? Was there some kind of a conspiracy back then to shaft the local population? Of course, Wendy Doromal, can say that Ed Pangelinan was our leader back then. Yeah right, Ed is married to a Pinay and look where he has been living ever since the covenant took effect!

Wendy Doromal, stop saying that it is your tax dollars paying for our well being! We also have our sons and daughter sacrificing their lives for your freedom! I really hate haolies who think like you, Wendy Doromal. We certainly have enough of your kind living in our Homeland so just enjoy BoyBoy and butt out of our affairs!

If you really care so much about our affairs, why don't you read the history of the covenant? Try reading the behind the scene history like the Solomon Report!

Wendy said...

No one "took" anyone's homeland "dirt cheap" or in any other way. Are you thin king of Manhatten being sold by the Indians? There was no money exchanged between the CNMI and US. The residents of the CNMI voted to join the US family.

Wendy said...

Anonymous 7:19 I have read the Covenant. I understand it completely and have read others' interpretations of it also.

Anonymous said...

Wendy, the CNMI gave up 2/3 of Tinian, Saipan Harbor (most since returned) and Farallon de Medinilla. Not to mention the Feds' ongoing failure to clean up radiation dumped on Tinian and toxic substances left on Saipan and Tinian and dropped on Rota.

When the feds do start a little clean-up, as at Marpi, Haoles complain!

And what about Covenant Supporter's comments?

Wendy said...

Anonymous 7:46

I do not support the lack of responsiveness of the federal government to problems in the CNMI or elsewhere on US soil. They absolutely should be held accountable for enforcing laws and responding to toxic dumping etc. I think the DOJ has really stepped up their enforcement of laws and prosecution of criminals in the last few years. So I assume that you have you contacted the EPA?

I also do not support spin about the federal government coming in and stealing the land in the CNM or the spin about the federal government as the big bad wolf.

Anonymous said...

Wendy, you are just a voice for Alan Stayman!

You are the reason why Anti-American sentiment is so common around the world! Stop trying to impose your ideals on us! Butt off our affairs! We can take care of ourselves! You were just a teacher in Rota back then who found love and now thinks that you were born to save the Filipino workers. I suggest that you move to the Philippines where you could be the advocate for the poor there.

We got screwed with the Covenant Agreement! It is our agreement and it is our responsibility to try and fix it! Just butt off!

Anonymous said...

What do you call a land transaction that closed for $1.00 an acre, Wendy Doromal? You have no idea what happened back then so just butt off and mind your own business! The Marianas will never be yours!

Wendy said...

Anonymous poster 9:01 and 9:04

(Same person) Again, as a taxpayer with relatives and many friends in the CNMI it is my business.

The federal government has paid billions to the CNMI in federal money over the years.

Perhaps if you feel ripped off by your leaders' deal with the US in leasing (not selling) land for military use you should bring it up with them.

As for the statement "The Marianas will never be yours!" Hello? I do not want it (or any other land) thanks.

the teacher said...

The Saipan Tribune's poll shows more than 2/3's of residents here (118 to 52) oppose a one year delay in federalization, a fact we have known all along.

The few people I have met in favor of a delay, all had political based or proprietary interests. One person told me he favored a delay so we would have another year of cheap construction labor and another is employed by NMI immigration.

Anonymous said...

Noni 7:19, 9:01, 9:04
What does Wendy have to do with land deals, with the Covenant agreement, or any of the transactions between CNMI and federal governments? Your attack is misplaced. Thankfully there are people like Wendy who expose injustice and work for reform.

Anonymous said...

Covenant Supporter,

you need to brush up on your knowledge of the Covenant unless what you are supporting is the not the amazing document that secured the partnership we now enjoy but the tyrannical party that we now have in power. if it is the latter it all makes sense.

what may i ask makes anyone think that China and Russia will be included in our Visa Waiver program so long as DHS is able to put in high tech biometric security devices and upgrade our security systems on the ground here? what logical reason do they have for this "belief".

here let me take all of the hot air out of that balloon.

at the moment Guam has had their own GUAM ONLY VISA WAIVER PROGRAM in place for many years. they currently are under federal immigration control. DHS maintains their borders with the help of USCIS and CBP and other agencies.

guess what?

CHINA AND RUSSIA ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE GUAM ONLY VISA WAIVER and have never been. they have security systems in place and personnel.

so what does this show? the reason for not allowing China and Russia in the CNMI/Guam Visa Waiver Program is not the CNMIs lack of security that can be remedied in time it is --- GUAM being included in our WAIVER. c'mon people wake up. you are fooling yourself if you think different.

enough with this delay bs. just initiate the federal immigration control as planned and as ALLOWED under our covenant.

Anonymous said...

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."


now if only we practiced what we preach, noni 4:55am.

what of the guest workers? are they free regulate anything in the CNMI? is not our local governmental model anything but frugal? what of all the local middle-men are government deems needed for foreign investors to set up shop? do we not take their profit for no reason needed? and what of the article XII issue and what regulations that sets up for business and profit?

you throw out a quote from Jefferson and think it holds up the notion that the federal government should not take over immigration because it may cause immense regulations that will take profit from business. stop and think for a moment. our own, anything but frugal, local government has been going against what this quote advocates for the past 30 years.

Anonymous said...

Covenant Supporter:

you said "DHS may say they're ready, but where is the world-class-leading border “exit control” like the CNMI has? Where is the electronic visa process? Where are enhanced physical maritime patrols by the USCG?"


I am so glad that you realize our own governments shortcomings in regards to border control. All the high-tech equipment and the USCG patrols you speak of and much more is fully in place just 100 miles south of us in Guam. Man those DHS guys are good.

Isn't it great knowing that we will soon enjoy those same security benefits! Thank god our Covenant drafters had the wherewithal to agree to this transition.

It does appear to me that you have fears about DHS ability to START THE TRANSITION period in November due to the fact that you don't see the set-up Guam has in place here in the CNMI. perhaps this is because you are confused.

It is not in place right now and may not be before the TRANSITION STARTS in November because that is what will occur during the TRANSITION. it may be hard for you to comprehend but the 5 year period of transition was drafted into the law to accommodate for the set-up process. Damn you got to love planning. Starting on November 28 DHS will begin implementing the TRANSITION of immigration. during the 5 year period ALL CNMI worker permits will be recognized and the CNMI/GUAM Visa Waiver Program will be implemented. ALL LONG TERM INVESTOR VISAS will also be recognized.

During the 5 year TRANSITION additional areas may be added or removed from the Visa Waiver Program.

I think your confusion stems from your lack of comprehension when reading PL 110-229. You expect the cake to be delivered on Nov 28 when all that will happen is the chefs and the ingredients will arrive at our kitchen. The law gives them 5+ years to bake that cake.

Anonymous said...

Covenant Supporter:

I see you have more confusion in other areas.

you said: "The only reason DHS is barring Chinese (and to a lesser extent, Russian) tourists is as a quick-and-dirty fix to compensate for the lack of real security improvements as noted above."

If this held any truth, why then does Guam not currently ACCEPT RUSSIA and CHINA tourists under their OWN GUAM VISA WAIVER PROGRAM? They have all the security improvements you claim the CNMI does not have (the reason you incorrectly believe the are left out of our joint wavier program). For years they have had a GUAM ONLY VISA WAIVER PROGRAM and they never included China and Russia for other reasons than those you are giving in your incorrect assessment.

Anonymous said...

Covenant Supporter:

you said: "Delay is needed so we don't sacrifice our economy on the altar of expedience and political correctness. Certainly not for its own sake, nor to enable another year of “slavery.”

“It's the economy, Stupid!”"


since you are so smart... what on earth has lead you to believe anything at all will change if a delay is granted? please elaborate. i have already pointed out that guam under their own visa waiver program has not beeng ranted china and russia so very little chance of that changing in the one year delay. what then will occur if a delay is given?

another year of uncertainty. another year of a continuance of a guest worker system that has greatly impacted our economy. another year of strategic repatriation of long term guest workers. another year to lobby the federal government to repeal the immigration takeover. another year to waste millions of CNMI taxpayer dollars in court. another year for corrupt businessmen (middle men) to peddle their expertise (no real experts on anything other than having a connection to corrupt officials) to foreign investors. another year of allowing shady and unscrupulous tourist into our lands to conduct illegal businesses such as money laundering, drug dealing, human trafficking, etc.

another year?! hell no! nice try Covenant Supporter but just like the Covenant Governor will find out in November there will be no more years of this madness.

Anonymous said...

you said : "The CNMI is also fortunate that our Governor has excellent relations with Guam's leaders. Ben is doing everything possible to save his people from the calamities wrought by federalization, even at the cost of his own health."


your, oh so smart (not), governor and his great relationships with guam are what got China and Russia kicked off the list. the only reason we lost those markets was because he solicited support from his buddies in guam for help with stopping immigration takeover. well he asked the wrong people.

why?

- guam cares about guam (rightly so)
- they tacked onto our visa waiver program. why? they already have a waiver program of their own. purely to do what they are doing now. sell us up the river.
- they didn't want our (as they have put it)low end guest workers, seamstresses, housekeepers, etc to flood their island from ours so they removed the grandfather provision.
- they wanted the unlimited H worker provision and got it.

so, Covenant Supporter, you may want to reevaluate the savvy and smarts of your governor. you may realize he is as dumb as they come.

Anonymous said...

Noni 7:08am:

you said: "We gave up our Homeland for the security of the US of A! '

Come November 28th they will implement more of those securities that we agreed on in the Covenant. Good Deal!

Wendy said...

Thank you Anonymous poster for the last 6 comments

Anonymous said...

Noni 7:19am:

you said: "If you really care so much about our affairs, why don't you read the history of the covenant? Try reading the behind the scene history like the Solomon Report!"

you need to read up on the Covenant the only real document that explains the relationship between us and the USA. no matter how we may arrived at it (as you state with the Solomon Report) it was signed and RATIFIED by our people. it is the document that DEFINES our relationship.

if you have an issue with what it contains, if you believe the drafters were coerced into agreeing on it, if you think the people were victimized by propoganda and tactfulness of the federal government, if you feel the ratification was due to improper knowledge of the voters, then, mr noni 7:19am, your problem is not with the federalization of immigration (that is clearly allowed and agreed upon in our COVENANT) but with the Covenant itself.

you have every right to feel the way you do. turn your anger towards that and alter the covenant or destroy it. do not attack the federal government that is ABIDING by the AGREEMENTS stated in the Covenant.

Anonymous said...

noni 7:46am said: "Wendy, the CNMI gave up 2/3 of Tinian, Saipan Harbor (most since returned) and Farallon de Medinilla."

Noni 9:04am said: "What do you call a land transaction that closed for $1.00 an acre""



i got a better one for you.

what do you call a land lease at $0.03/sm? a local land deal made by our own LOCAL government. Flame Sako, Neo Gold Wings, Lau Lau, etc.

cry me a river. our own elected corrupt leaders have given away much more land in corrupt under the table deals than anything the us government has done.

Anonymous said...

Noni 9:01am said:" We can take care of ourselves! "


[sarcasm] man i wish you were as outspoken when we were spending millions to pay for abramoff. heck maybe you need to focus that energy on attacking jenner and block!!! those damn outsiders! or howard willens!! or tan! or lynn knight! or abe malae! or deanne seimer! or greg bake! or or those united states mainlander taxpayers who contribute 70% of the monies used by our government! tell 'em all to go to hell! this is OUR ISLAND! WE CAN DO THINGS OURSELVES!!![end sarcasm]

Anonymous said...

it appears that many of you do not follow guam federally controlled immigration. let me give you a link to their ALREADY EXISTING GUAM VISA WAIVER PROGRAM:

http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_1233258901877.shtm

if they already had a visa waiver program than why on earth are they so concerned about hitching on to our non-existent visa waiver program and then attacking the feds for not including china and russia? because they want to USE THE CNMI. put our face in front of that fight. make us the victims. while they reap the benefits being doled out by the federal government.

someone (KILILI) ask madeline and the rest of the guamers why for the past many years while they have had a GUAM VISA WAIVER PROGRAM in place under federal watch they have NOT EVER fought the federal government to include CHINA and RUSSIA as they are doing so now while hiding behind the CNMI ????

people need to wake up and take a look at everything happening. we can not have most uneducated and unaware leaders in the pacific. stand up and ASK yourselves what is going on!!!

Anonymous said...

[sarcasm] yes, and send all of the OCWs home so that we can all work 25 jobs each that we are not qualified for. THOSE DAMM OCWs. This is our land!!![end sarcasm]

this is fun- join in!

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Anonymous said...

The Federalization advocates on the thread are mimicking the divide-and-conquer strategy used by the Feds against Guahan and the CNMI.

It worked against the Native Americans. But it won't work against Taotao Marianas.

Our elected leaders will inspire our people to resist the racist, colonialist, oppressive actions of the extreme revisionist Federalizers. We are the true patriots, shedding our blood in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Follow the rules! Honor our Covenant.

Stand fast.

Anonymous said...

noni 12:14PM:

Read the covenant. Divide and conquor? you mean because i point out that the addition of guam to our wavier program meant losing china and russia? that is just a fact of life.

the rules of the Covenant are very clear. WE ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY for GUAM in political union with the USA. we agreed to that and our people ratified it. if you want a union with GUAM that you feel is favorable to the TAO TAO TANO than you have to alter the Covenant to include Guahan. We excluded them from our political structure when we became the CNMI and they excluded us before that when we were the NMI. the "N" says it all. those decisions were all accepted and made by the TAO TAO TANO. if you want something different now you can go for it. rally a reunification if you so choose. don't use that crap to justify anti federal tactics. and don't refernce our soliders to justify your anti federal ideology. our men and women are funded by the federal government and are fighting for the rights of all americans, local and mainland. they are not involved in a "make believe" civil war that you are fighting in that twisted mind of yours.

you follow the rules or work on changing them (re-write the Covenant). YOU NEED TO HONOR THE COVENANT!

captain said...

Guam should clean up their own yard before they try and get involved in ours.They have many more problems of their own. The only thing that will save them is the Military buildup construction.

Any delay in Federalization will do more harm to our economy than any start of implementation on 11/28.

The problem now is the uncertainty of what will change in the way of manpower and Visa's etc.
If another year delay it will finish off what little is left of the economy, even with a new sitting Gov. It will make recovery unattainable until after the takeover.

Anonymous said...

Good job alan defending your Wendy Doromal!

Anonymous said...

Losing China and Russia is “just another fact of life”?

That is why we need, now more than ever, Fitial and Inos and Kilili as our leaders and not a defeatist Federalizer.

We sill not be unheard once more.

Anonymous said...

noni 3:42pm:

you said:"That is why we need, now more than ever, Fitial and Inos and Kilili as our leaders and not a defeatist Federalizer."

Why?

those 3 when face with a "fact of life" change are showing that they CANNOT deal with it. rather than looking at all the various opportunities we have are our disposal they are spending the bulk of their efforts and taxpayer money struggling to stop the "fact of life" from happening. is that what you look for in a leader?

i think not. i would rather have someone who is able to take the changes that life doles out and proactively deal with things.

Anonymous said...

NONI ABOVE...ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SHOULD ALL JUST BEND OVER AND GIVE IT UP?

YOU GOT TO BE ONE OF THE COLONIZER TO HAVE SUCH AN OPINION! I SUSPECT THAT YOU ARE NONE OTHER THAN ALAN!

Anonymous said...

It will hurt Guam to delay federalization, because they need to be exempted from H-worker caps, and because they want the 45-day stay under the new visa waiver, instead of the 15-day one under current law. Perhaps the Guam Senators know there is no chance whatsoever of a delay, and they can show solidarity with their Northern brothers without it costing them anything.

Wendy said...

Anonymous 1:21 and 6:03

Get a grip on reality. "Alan" (his named is spelled Allen) does not post here. I can check the IP numbers and location of posters. There are none from Washington today. Additionally, he does not communicate through this blog, but if he did, I am certain that he would sign his name!

Anonymous 4:44 is correct. The CNMI officials have wasted much time (and money) fighting the inevitable. It makes far more sense to join hands with the federal government and to work together to ensure a prosperous and just CNMI.

I predict in five years after the transition period has ended the residents of the CNMI will be very happy with the transformation that has taken place under the federal system. I think irrational fear of change and of the unknown is fueling some of these comments. I am sure during the transition period people will have a chance to give their input and the system will be tweaked.

Additionally, those with power and big businesses (many Chamber and HAMNI members) are fighting this because they want to continue the dysfunctional system that fills their pockets and feeds their egos at the expense of a disenfranchised underclass.

No one is being racist, no one is a colonizer, no one is attempting to do anything that is not allowed under the Covenant. Stop the spin, it's old already.

Anonymous said...

And stop imputing names to anonymous posters, even if you “know” who they are.

Anonymous said...

To 9:13
HUH?

malou berueco said...

to ANON 9/13/09, 9:01a.m.
were you not attended school?
you said to wendy "you WERE JUST a teacher in rota"....
should there be no teachers like wendy, do you think OUR CHILDREN would be as SMART as they are now? i just don't know you, if you ever had a teacher before...
but in our homeland, we have so MUCH RESPECT for teachers....!
"MABUHAY ANG MGA GURO"

hugo said...

Guam officials spent much of the last decade vocally criticizing the CNMI's immigration system, in the vain and misguided hope that, by running us down, they could somehow distinguish themselves from us in federal eyes, and thereby achieve the commonwealth status and local immigration control they have wanted for years.

In light of this dismal history, their recent expressions of support and solidarity are truly remarkable. I admit the cynic in me asks, "What's in it for them?" but the optimist says, "Join us, brothers and sisters! Better late than never to figure out that our fight is your fight too."

Anonymous said...

Look... my problem with the United States is that if it was so concerned with the abuses that it passed the federalization bill. But what about the abused workers? Why not protect them? Cohen said it was a political hot potato? Well, what about doing the right thing?

Anonymous said...

David Barrett Cohen is the epitome of an elitist, know-it-all, colonialist oppressor. The lies he told during the federalization fiasco were downright evil.

Anonymous said...

Isn't he a Samoan?

Wendy said...

Anonymous 10:11

David Cohen is absolutely not an elitist! I know him. What lies? Please!

Anonymous said...

Wow Noni 10:11PM comment sounds a lot like Joe Wilson's "YOU LIE"... whole lot of mouthing off and no substance or facts behind it. I have a feeling he has never talked to Cohen directly and is parroting what has been told to him by individuals who are upset about the loss of local control over immigration. David is a great guy. We may not see eye to eye on everything but he has never come across as elitist. If anything he his incredibly humble.

This same Noni is going around accusing everyone of being evil. He/she needs to look int he mirror so he/she has a good reference point as to what evil is. He/she appears to have trouble distinguishing between honest and caring individuals and evil doers like him/herself.

Anonymous said...

Noni 8:01pm,

you said:"Look... my problem with the United States is that if it was so concerned with the abuses that it passed the federalization bill. But what about the abused workers? Why not protect them? Cohen said it was a political hot potato? Well, what about doing the right thing?"

I agree that we need to take care of the workers that have been out here contributing to the community. i think that you may need to aim your questions and your ire at the local political officials and businessmen.

The US had always had a grandfathering provision in every bill they ever introduced dealing with immigration reform in the CNMI. It was removed from the bill that finally passed at the behest of our Governor, Chamber of Commerce president, HANMI representatives, Cabinet Members, lobbyists, Guam Congresswoman, and a few others. They lobbied extremely hard to get rid of that provision. They got it.

There is hope. The final law did allow for a 2 year review of the transitional workers and asked that a recommendation be made. Please make your comments public (direct letters to Kilili, letters to the editors, send to US Congress, OIA, etc.) so they know how you feel. Perhaps they will take it into consideration and go ahead and grant long term guest workers status.

Until then... you should make it know to all those that lobbied to remove that provision that you are pretty upset and tell US Congress you are mad that they caved in to the vocal minority.

Anonymous said...

I think I have had just about enough from this Chamber of Fools (Commerce).

Todays Quote: "The Saipan Chamber of Commerce expressed disappointment over the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services' proposed investor program for the CNMI, mainly due to an additional visa requirement to re-enter the Commonwealth and for not “grandfathering” existing long-term foreign investors"


and Jimmy goes on: "“It's also a bit disappointing that foreign investors who have been here for a long time won't be grandfathered in the proposed regulations beyond five years. We understand that things will change in the future.But foreign investors who have been here and invested much will have a hard time meeting the federal requirements,” he said."


ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Jimmy are you MAD because they did not grandfather in foreign investors?! This coming from the A**hole that sat before congress and openly pushed for a REMOVAL of the GRANDFATHERING PROVISION for GUEST WORKERS!

You are a piece of work!

Sorry buddy but take your arguments and your complaints elsewhere.

You told congress not to grant long term guest workers a pathway to citizenship (GRANDFATHERING LONG TERM WORKERS) because they would all leave the CNMI. So what are you saying? Does that mean the Chamber realizes that locals and other US citizens are leaving because they can? Your solution = force foreigners to stay and work for terrible bosses like you?!

"been here for a long time", he cries on about investors... what of the workers????

All member companies of this Chamber need to be boycotted until they retract the statements made by Jimmy and remove him from his post.

Amen. said...

Noni 10:59 --

I couldn't believe Arenowski's comments either. My jaw still hurts from when it hit the floor.

I actually don't have any problem with the existing small-time investors being grandfathered in, as long as they've been responsible, law-abiding, taxpaying members of the community.

I just wish Jim Arenowski had had the same sympathy for long-term foreign workers. I mean, how great would it have been if he had said to Congress during the May 19 hearing:

"It's also a bit disappointing that foreign [workers] who have been here for a long time [weren't] grandfathered in the [law]. We understand that things will change in the future.But foreign [workers] who have been here and invested much will have a hard time meeting the federal requirements.”

At least he would have been consistent. Instead, he was just a jackass.

Anonymous said...

investors to stay? without wokers? where's the logic arenovski? we should have boycotted you long time ago.
LET'S START BOYCOTTING HIS BUSINESS NOW!

Anonymous said...

The CNMI suffers from an unfortunate oversupply of unskilled labor compounded by a shortage of investment capital.

Those encouraging unemployed foreign national workers to hang around hoping for a miracle or a “status change” are doing neither the Commonwealth nor the former workers any favors.

If you truly cared, you would help them go home, not plot schemes of retalliation and revenge against those with differing views than your own.

Anonymous said...

There is a simple solution.

The TPED should be delayed until DHS is ready to implement the China/ Russia visa waiver programs.

In the mean time, DHS should pay for CNMI immigration to continue to operate, because that would still save significant federal dollars.

anyone home? said...

Noni 11:19 There is no guarantee they will EVER implement the Chinese and Russian visa program! NO DELAY! Oh yes, sue the U.S., unjustly criticize them and then ASK FOR MORE OF THEIR MONEY to keep the broken system. Thanks for the plan Fitial.

Chamber of Fools said...

Noni 10:36pm:

Nice try. No one is calling to have UNEMPLOYED guest workers remain in the commonwealth. What most have asked for is that the grandfathering provision that was removed from the bill be reinstated. That would grant long term guest workers a pathway to citizenship.

Build up all the false arguments you want to try to defend the Chamber Pressy but it just won't work. He is a POS with major double standards.

Also it might help to know what the Chamber and HANMI stances are before spouting off your mouth. They both claim we NEED outside labor and that we don't have the number of people needed and enough with skills. They both also claim that if given status the guest workers will leave. As Jimmy put it, "THEY WILL ALL LEAVE. TAKE MY WORD!" What a bunch of hogwash and if they do what does that tell you. And if you really believe that does that mean you believe all workers in the private sector that CAN leave have or will, just a matter of time.

Anonymous said...

Noni 11:19pm:

You should listen to noni 11:56pm. Why? Because there is no indication what-so-ever that DHS has any plans to included Russia and China in the Guam CNMI Joint waiver program - no matter how much security equipment is put in place.

Want proof? Look at Guam. At the moment and over the past years they have enjoyed a GUAM ONLY Visa Waiver Program and Federally controlled immigration. They have the proper security in place and still yet have NEVER included RUSSIA or CHINA in that waiver program.

When Guam was added to our JOINT waiver program we lost any short term hope of China and Russia being included.

Any delay will not change that. Good leaders would have never pushed to JOIN the waiver program and would be pushing to separate it now, not delay tactics that produce nothing at all.

Anonymous said...

DHS may not have any "plans" to maintain Chinese and Russian tourist access to the CNMI, but if they are "told" to do so by a congressional statute, they will not have any choice.

Public Law 110-229 should be amended to include benchmarks for federalization.

One benchmark should be the implementation of plans to maintain our tourists, which was only "suggested" by the current law.

Another benchmark might be actual economic improvements for the CNMI pursuant to Covenant Section 701, perhaps with federal improvements to our utilities and exceptions to aviation anti-cabotage laws.

Anonymous said...

Diego Benavente is on the right track.

Anonymous said...

The right track? only if you believe a train running towards the end of a cliff is the right track to be on.

Anonymous said...

You said:"DHS may not have any "plans" to maintain Chinese and Russian tourist access to the CNMI, but if they are "told" to do so by a congressional statute, they will not have any choice."

What on god's good earth makes you believe that congress will ever issue a law to over ride national security concerns? You are mad.

Look, try and engage your brain before doing what Diego did and engaging your mouth.

Guam has been under federal immigration control for years. For years they have had all the proper security equipment in place (biometrics, etc). For years they have wanted to tap China and Russia Tourists. For years they have had in place a Guam Only Visa Waiver Program. For years they have had a Congresswoman in int eh US Congress.

Guess what?

For years they have been unable to persuade DHS to include China and Russia in their Visa Waiver. For years they have been unable to pressure the inclusion by lobbying US Congress.

What on earth makes you think we can?

THE REASON WHY CHINA AND RUSSIA ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE JOINT GUAM/CNMI VISA WAIVER PROGRAM IS BECAUSE OF GUAM. NO OTHER REASON. NOT OUR SECURITY OR LACK OF. NOT ANY OTHER REASON. IT IS BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVE MILITARY INSTALLATIONS ON GUAM AND THE ASYLUM PROVISIONS ON GUAM.

IF US CONGRESS STUCK TO A CNMI ONLY VISA WAIVER PROGRAM THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE WE WOULD STILL HAVE CHINA AND RUSSIA.

So who is to blame for the GUAM inclusion into our waiver program? BEN FITIAL, JIM A, HANMI, BORDALLO, LYNN KNIGHT, HOWARD WILLENS, and all the other idiots that pushed for Guam's help to remove the grandfathering provision from the original Bill.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:25: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Joseph Goebbels

I have been hearing in blogs that the CNMI Administration and the Chamber removed the grandfathering of nonresident workers. I wish the CNMI had that kind of power, but Guam and Hawaii were instrumental in removing this provision, not the CNMI.

The same misrepresentation is now being spread about the Guam-CNMI Visa waiver. Guam obtained this concession, along with the removal of the grandfathering of NRW as the price of their support in voting the bill out of committee despite CNMI opposition. The House leadership cared most about passing a bill, not about the NRW's or the visa waiver issue. Unfortunately, the opinion of the CNMI was irrelevant as it had no vote.

Anonymous said...

The lies that are being repeated are the following:

- DHS is not ready
- If we delay the transition start date that will give DHS enough time to set up the necessary hardware and computer systems (biometrics) and they will allow Russian and Chinese Tourist in the waiver program
- The Administration, HANMI, and the Chamber had nothing to do with lobbying Guam to help remove the grandfathering provisions.
- The Administration partner with Madeline Bordallo in order to get her to push for removal of the Grandfathering provision in exchange for getting the cap for H2 workers lifted from them along with us and getting Guam included in our CNMI waiver Program (in essence and maybe they were too dumb to know at the time they wound up selling us out in exchange for screwing long term guest workers).
- DHS is not communicating
- CNMI economy will die without Russia and China Tourist waiver.
- Jimmy A did not address congress in DC and push loud and hard against Guest Worker Status.
- Lynn Knight was not actively lobbying for the removal of the guest worker status provision.
- Guam Congresswoman and our Governor pushed Guam political leaders to help push for their inclusion in exchange for screwing the guest workers.


The LIES have been coming from Governor, Chamber, HANMI, Guam leaders and now recently covenant friendly political leaders like Diego.

Sorry to say but repeat it as many times as you want... no one is buying it. Read the comments on the story about Diego in todays paper.

Anonymous said...

Noni 2:28pm:

you said:"The same misrepresentation is now being spread about the Guam-CNMI Visa waiver. Guam obtained this concession,"

Can you not read that is exactly what was said. Our elected leaders and corrupt businesses lobbied Guam Congresswoman and Hawaii Congressman to pull the long term guest worker grandfathering provision.

What lie are you speaking of.

At the time Pete A was not opposing the Grandfathering provision and our administration and Chamber and HANMI were freaking out. They turned to Guam who was more than happy to HELP (as in screw the CNMI) out. :-)

Dumb dumb Chamber. Dumb dumb HANMI. Dumb dumb Governor.

Anonymous said...

I have spoken directly to Jim and I also watched him state before US Congress at the May Hearing that, "If you give these guest workers a pathway to citizenship they will ALL leave." He claimed to know this as fact because of his own experience with guest workers in the CNMI that had married or otherwise gotten a green card. He said as soon as they got the GreenCard they left the island.

Sounds like a spouse in an abusive relationship to me who is speaking about his/her other half. "I don't let her go out at night or go anywhere alone. As soon as thay happens they look for a way out and run off."

LOL. Jim A you are a piece of work.

I also spoke with HANMI and MVA representatives at the DHS public hearing at the AMP location. They were all adamantly opposed to granting long term guest workers status. They also feared that they would all leave the CNMI.

What does this tell us??? This tells us that the only way HANMI and CHAMBER businesses can keep workers on staff is to FORCE them to work for them. And they openly admit it. What is wrong with that picture? Now I know why so many qualified US Citizen locals are leaving this island.

These guys don't belong in business. I have a full US Citizen staff that works for me. I would hope if I had a guest worker working for me they would stay as my other staff do even f they got a green card.

Anonymous said...

The CNMI suffers from an unfortunate oversupply of unskilled labor compounded by a shortage of investment capital.

Amen. The rest of this persiflage about who is to "blame" for the denial of status to foreign national workers is just wasted electrons.

It doesn't change the economic facts, and accusations of "lies" are just a diversion from the fundamental lack of economic reality to their positions.

someone said...

Please tell me what gas stations and businesses Jim owns so we can boycott. Thank you

Anonymous said...

"Sounds like a spouse in an abusive relationship to me who is speaking about his/her other half. "I don't let her go out at night or go anywhere alone. As soon as thay happens they look for a way out and run off."

Yes, and it sounds like the slaves in the south. Keep those slaves on the plantation. In the CNMI water, fear and local control of immigration keeps the cheated guest workers there.

Anonymous said...

No, lies and rumors about federal status are keeping unemployed cheated guest workers here, to their long-term detriment.

The same people spewing their cynical "hopes and dreams" for the gullible to imbibe are those self-same bullies trying to get government workers fired, and businessmen boycotted, if they dare speak the truth about the laws of economics the federalizers blindly ignore.

Change? This is old-time Saipan politics at its worst. Times two.

Shame, shame! On American soil. Outrageous!

Anonymous said...

Noni 10:35pm:

you said:"No, lies and rumors about federal status are keeping unemployed cheated guest workers here, to their long-term detriment.
"

What on earth are you talking about? Elaborate. What lies and from whom? I have elaborated above with exact lies coming from specific people.

your categorical denial with no real substance is hogwash.

your strawman argument that attacks unemployed guest workers is just that a crap argument that you conjured up yourself in order to attack it.

what is being discussed (if you could read and comprehend) is a pathway to citizenship for long term guest workers. EMPLOYED workers.

So continue your lies. you are the only one the believes them.

The rest of your comment just shows everyone how desperate you have become. yes come Jan you will be out of a job. Maybe even sooner for you.

as for the laws of economics, i would hope any one of the chamber members or president could explain in detail what laws they are using to arrive at their stances on the immigration issue. i know the laws of economics very well and their is no model that supports the idea that a guest worker system like that in place here in the CNMI is economically suitable for stable growth.

i can show you many findings and reports that state exactly the opposite.

Anonymous said...

The Chamber Pres' grasp of economic laws is nonexistent.

Here is an excerpt written many moons ago. Jimmy should read up on it. There are many more studies that he may want to read in order to get a better grasp on the laws of economics in relation to guest worker programs.



"Once employers come to depend on foreign workers, they cease looking for alternatives, and foreign workers come to depend on their guestworker wages to support their families. In addition, guestworker programs distort the economy, as employers factor in the presence of workers in their future plans, vastly increasing the likelihood that the "guests" will move in for good.

The old aphorism is as true today as it has ever been: There is nothing as permanent as a temporary worker."

Anonymous said...

More for you and Jimmy:

The U.S. experience with foreign farm workers leads to three major lessons:


There is nothing more permanent than temporary workers. After farm employers and foreign workers become dependent on each other, the farmers do not think about alternatives to Bracero or H-2 workers, and the migrants need U.S. earnings to maintain their families.

The availability of foreign workers distorts the economy. Farmers take into account many factors when they decide whether to plant apples in remote areas of Washington or West Virginia, especially likely revenues and costs in four or five years when there are apples to pick. But they do not have to worry about the availability of pickers if there is a guest worker program. An auto executive might be fired for putting a plant in a remote area without workers; a farmer feels entitled to foreign workers to make the investment profitable.

Employers invest in lobbying to maintain the program, not in labor-saving or back-saving alternatives. Legislation authorizing farmers to hire guest workers has usually been considered a temporary bridge, a way for farmers to get crops harvested until soldiers returned from war or mechanization eliminated the need for hand workers. However, once a guest worker program is in place, farmers invest in lobbying to maintain the program, not in labor-saving and productivity.
"

Anonymous said...

"But the solution to worker problems is not a guest worker program that leaves the labor system unchanged. Even most employers concede that history would likely repeat itself if illegal immigration were to be controlled and there were no new guest worker program. Wages would rise, there would be a rapid adoption of labor-saving machinery and better ways to manage now more expensive workers, and some products might migrate to lower-wage countries.

Government policy should push toward a sustainable 21st century future, not permit it to revert to a 20th century "Harvest of Shame" past."

Anonymous said...

Source?

Anonymous said...

http://www.cis.org/GuestWorkerProgramReform

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:35 PM said...

The same people spewing their cynical "hopes and dreams" for the gullible to imbibe are those self-same bullies trying to get government workers fired, and businessmen boycotted, if they dare speak the truth about the laws of economics the federalizers blindly ignore.

Change? This is old-time Saipan politics at its worst. Times two.


Anonymous 9:05 AM said...

Noni 10:35pm:

The rest of your comment just shows everyone how desperate you have become. yes come Jan you will be out of a job. Maybe even sooner for you.


You pathetic bully, cowering behind the skirts of “change” and internet anonymity.

YOU are the problem in our Commonwealth, with your thuggish attitude of revenge and job retribution for speaking out. Our islands will never improve so long as people like you seek to be the puppet-masters of “reform” while clinging to outmoded notions of power and displaying astonishing intolerance toward those with views other than your own.

You represent “change no one can believe in.” It's never to late to learn and practice a little open-mindedness and charity.

Anonymous said...

If the Covenant Section 903 lawsuit is not decided by 28 Nov 09, will the CNMI Department of Labor employees still have jobs?

Anonymous said...

Noni 7:37PM:

You desperation is very apparent.

You have been the problem. You will be gone soon enough.

Anonymous said...

On the basis of perceived political affiliation or views (the secret ballot still applies in the CNMI), is it admirable to attempt to induce desperation in government employees and their families for the sake of “change”?

Or are such threats a significant part of the very reason the CNMI got into its current circumstances in the first place?