Hate in the form of a rally

May 30, 2010


The sparsely attended gathering of the indigenous people appears to have been a hate-fest with surprising comments being directed at the Department of Interior and at the United States Government according to comments quoted by the CNMI's major papers.

Apparently the governor left California to make it to the rally.

Here are a few of the comments that may raise eyebrows in Washington, DC. and elsewhere. Most of the comments demonstrate that these people want to rewrite history. They also are want people to believe that in the entire two years from the time the CNRA was passed until the DOI report was due to the U.S. Congress that no CNMI government official met with the DOI personnel (that is a lie), or took any initiative as the advocates and guest workers did to express their position. Should we send these people copies of the newspapers articles detailing specific meetings with DOI and other federal officials over the last two years?

Clearly, some of the CNMI leaders have lost their moral compasses.

“Instead of coming over here and meeting with the indigenous people, they meet with the activists. They asked me what was my position — I said my position had been very consistent. All these nonresident workers came here because they have a contract to work.”
The United States government obviously disagreed with the position of the governor. Our country is based on certain principles of equality, justice and democracy. The position of the governor and the rally attendees runs counter to our nation's basic principles. Does anyone seriously think that the U.S. government is going to screw the long-term foreign workers like many of the employers and the CNMI government has done for 3 decades?

Did Fitial forget that when it seemed opportune he publicly stated that if the DOI recommended green cards for the workers that he would not object? I can remember conversations with federal officials who noted his statement. Such selective memory lapses are an offensive trait in an elected leader.

Governor Fitial:
He vowed to lead the indigenous people in fighting for their political rights in the U.S. Congress.

Fitial said there is a process that should be followed before qualified guest workers are granted improved immigration status.

He wants a referendum on this issue.

“Just follow the law. You know there are more than 12 million illegal aliens in the United States. They should fall in line,” he said.

He said it doesn’t matter that the close to 16,000 guest workers who stand to benefit from Interior’s recommendation are documented.

“It’s not that they’re legal or illegal. There is a process. The process should be based on respect. If I invite you to my house and then you dictate what I am going to do inside my house, that’s not right,” he said.
This governor is a completely ignorant of U.S. law. Whatever law the U.S. Congress passes in regard to the status of the long-term foreign workers and nonresidents will be the law and will be followed. The CNRA did not call for anyone to get in a line. There is absolutely no connection between illegal aliens in the states and the legal aliens in the CNMI. None. It is disingenuous to try to create a relationship between these very distinct and unrelated groups of foreigners. But what can we expect from a governor who thinks it is okay to take his masseuse out of her prison cell so he can have a massage?

It is apparent that this rogue administration has no real argument so they assume that if they make up some meritless claims and repeat them often enough someone will listen! It looks like out of 50,000 or so people in the NMI only a couple hundred are listening. Not a very good indication that the scheme is credible.

The Saipan Tribune quoted the governor as saying:
Fitial repeatedly said “Taya respetu” or “No respect” in English, as he talked about the Interior's lack of consultation with him or the CNMI government on its report to the U.S. Congress.

In an interview right after the rally, Fitial reiterated the importance of having a referendum on the Interior report and recommendation, in time for the November 2010 elections when the CNMI will also vote for the second time a delegate to the U.S. House of Representatives.

He said people should be directly asked about their position on the recommendation to grant improved immigration status to foreign workers.

So far, the 17th Legislature has not introduced a joint resolution to call for a referendum.

When asked whether it is “fear” that indigenous people are feeling in light of what they believe would be a possible “takeover” of some 20,000 foreign workers in government and other aspects of society, Fitial said the right term is “anger”-but not toward guest workers, rather toward the Interior report and recommendation.

“We're not afraid. We're just angry that we're not involved in the process. That's the right term. There's no respect,” he said.
There was already a referendum. It was called a plebiscite. The CNMI people voted almost unanimously to become part of the American family. Federal law is supreme over the CNMI and since the enactment of the CNRA immigration and naturalization laws now apply to the CNMI. As stated in the CNRA (which every CNMI leader and concerned citizen should have read) the DOI will make a recommendation on status for long-term foreign workers by May 10, 2010. Are we to believe that the leaders lost not only their moral compasses, but their calendars? Any decisions that will be decided regarding naturalization and granting status to the long-term foreign workers or residents will be made federally and not locally.

Why wasn't some of their "anger" directed at the CNMI officials who had two years to express their opinions and failed to do so? Being untruthful shows a lack of respect not just to the federal officials who are being falsely targeted, but to the people that these leaders represent.

At the same rally, the governor admitted that the foreign workers are needed "because the local pool is not enough to run the economy." If the CNMI needs a workforce they should accept the foreign workers as equals rather than as a disenfranchised underclass? Why would the CNMI government think that the U.S. would allow the foreign workers to live in the CNMI as second-class citizens perpetually? That purgatory-type proposal is totally counter to all American values.

Marianas District Legislature President Vicente N. Santos made these uninformed remarks:
“Everybody’s mad now. There’s no respect,” he said in an interview. “We are not trying to chaste the aliens away from Saipan. But they have no right to become voting members of the commonwealth. There’s nothing in their contracts about that. They are here to earn a living and send money back home.”

Santos said aliens can get improved immigration status through marrying U.S. citizens or through their U.S. citizen children.
“Other aliens who married locals, have to pay way over $3,000 to get green cards, but by a stroke of one pen, everybody now will become permanent residents? Do you think that’s right? No, that’s wrong,” he said. “They must follow the process.”
Apparently "everyone" is not mad now. It looks like a couple hundred haters are mad. The disrespect is coming from the CNMI Government in the form of lies and the attempts to rewrite history. The long-term foreign workers have every right to become voting members of the community. The CNMI is U.S. soil and this is 2010 not the times of slavery. There is no place on U.S. soil where long-term foreign workers should have to wait more than five years to be offered a pathway to citizenship. No place.

Who in their right mind would suggest that people should obtain status by marrying?! Many of the nonresidents are married already. Perhaps he suggests that they divorce and marry a U.S. citizen? Ever hear of marriage scams?

Status is not just granted to those who marry a U.S. citizen. It is also granted through years working in the United States, through employers and in a number of other ways. Was it fair that the people of the CNMI were handed U.S. citizenship and none of them paid for that privilege? Do these people possess defective memory cards?

Isn't it ironic that the foreign workers who are disenfranchised and are not Americans have more loyalty to the U.S. than many of the attendees at this rally?

Here are a few anti-American comments taken from the Marianas Variety:
Crisostimo and other officials who spoke during the gathering expressed disappointment with Interior’s proposal.

“Please give as the right to decide the destiny of our people,” Crisostimo said. “I am not one happy American.

My parents didn’t want to be Americans and today we are haunted [by our decision to become part of the U.S.]”
Department of Community and Cultural Affairs Secretary Melvin O. Faisao who spoke in Carolinian made scathing remarks about Interior’s recommendation.

Deputy Commerce Secretary Sixto Igisomar, for his part, said he does not believe in the Covenant that made the CNMI a commonwealth of the U.S.

“I do not believe in the Covenant. I do not believe in the federalization law. This is my country…. This is a sovereign land. You are not going to tell me what to do in my own land,” he said.
Is this the message that the leaders of the CNMI and their small groups of followers want to send to Washington, DC?

From the Saipan Tribune:
Diego F. Camacho, 24, of Dandan, said he supports indigenous rights, and that's why he went to the rally.

“It's unfair that they're just going to give U.S. citizenship (to foreign workers) just like giving away free pancakes or laying a red carpet,” he said.
Interesting coming from someone whose parents, and perhaps even he, received citizenship from the United States in 1986. The Chamorros and Carolinians were welcomed as a part of the American family with open arms. The long-term foreign workers, some of whom have worked and lived longer in the CNMI than Deigo Camaho has been alive, are not welcomed by all. At least not by the couple hundred attending this rally which appears to have been held to unify the attendees in unfounded anger and hatred. That is an extremely sad, and an extremely un-American sentiment.

Do these CNMI leaders and their followers want to be part of the American family or do they want to have a sovereign nation? They cannot have it both ways.

78 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hope that people in DC see that the guv and his cronies are not supported by the majority of the people of the NMI. The majority support status for the OCWs. Some of these remarks are radical and sound like militia or skinheads. WHAT AN EMBARRASSMENT!

Anonymous said...

many of those comments are truly repulsive. one irony is that filipinos have been in the marianas longer than carolinians.

a sad day for the CNMI.

Saipan Realty said...

The rally wasn’t well attended when I passed on the way to KFC, but regardless, it seemed racist in nature. In my opinion all these rallies and marches in the post federalization CNMI are all biased with everyone angling an agenda instead a facing and dealing with the complicated economic realities facing the residents here.

Workers want fast action on the DOI regulations because they are unemployed and their umbrella permits expire in 2011. Locals are tense concerning losing politcal control here. I don’t expect the Congress to act out of urgency or desperation. I think the US will employ the strategy of time to resolve this matter. I expect Congress to do nothing anytime soon. An act of Congress is a synonym for prudence and wisdom, never rushed and never in desperation, so they may feel time will answer many complicated questions. Time, not haste, should be the friend of the people here. The idea of a transition period is to better understand and prepare for the needs of the residents. Some facts and things to consider are:

1. A majority of locals are against granting citizenship and appose some forms of improved status.
2. The two tier system is over and federal officials confirm that workers are no longer tied to a job.
3. We still need a labor force to run the economy.
4. The US will not likely move on this issue this year.
5. The US will not likely change immigration status without the consent of the citizens here.
6. We have thousands of unemployed residents.
7. The CNMI has no provisions to handle or take care of 50 US citizen children, much less thousands.
8. Our population will shrink using the CW transitional investor and worker programs.
9. Status would expand the labor base (of unskilled workers) but would increase poverty and unemployment.
10. Status would allow workers to travel, relieving unemployment and would greatly reduce the labor force.
11. Status is a myth that has a wide range of meanings, possibilities, and applications.
12. Granting immediate citizenship would flood the NMI with people and pack the underfunded schools
13. Unemployed persons could fill some jobs through attrition over time
14. US citizen children can petition their own parents at 21 years old
15. Time would allow the CW transitional workers and investors to sort themselves out.
17. Time would provide more data on our long-term employment needs.
18. Individual labor and immigration cases could last years and provide a source of economic development.
19. The US granting citizenship would change leadership in the CNMI
20. The US Delegate will communicate the wishes of the NMI in Washington
21. The Congress could also mix the DOI recommendations by allowing long-term workers that are really employed to apply for permanent residence (number 2), then allow a FAS equivalent for those who have been freelancing (and how could an immigration scammer complain about being granted a right to live and work in America). This relieves some unemployment in the NMI while answering the most difficult question regarding the best interests of US citizen children.

With so much unemployed labor, the NMI needs other economic legs such as fish and agriculture, building other US restricted products to assemble here, expanding our visa waiver program, and using our ability to hire unlimited H1 and H2visas.

Ron H.

the teacher said...

Both sides seem bent on making this issue race, nationalism, and hatred.

Both sides are looking more and more like poor Irish immigrants fighting with African-Americans 100years ago over cheap factory jobs. Both sides are speaking their native tongues more while the NMI schools should require 4 years of either Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or Russian as a graduation requirement.

Anonymous said...

Ron Hodges You do not know everything. We want status because we lived here most of our lives. How about you? You like it here? Are you better than us because you are a citizen. Are you more important than us? Of course rallies have an agenda. That is why we do rallies to call attention to our cause. We do not promote hate at our rallies. You do not know how fast Congress will act. Our kids are already enrolled in the schools and schools are not going to be "packed." The funding is based on how many students. Maybe if you are so worried about packed schools you can tell all the people not to have kids including locals and US. Not every OCW has US kids that can petition them. Those with no kids don't deserve status after years here? Kilili is not the whole US Congress and he may have a big ego to think that the US will go against what is a just decision.

Anonymous said...

If they want a referendum they don't even have the votes to win whether they had 200-300 as both papers and eye witnesses say or 2,000 as the spin masters claim.

Anonymous said...

ron,

you are a teacher so please back up your "facts" with data and any other indicator of their validity.

most specifically these ones:

1. - FALSE. the majority here is strongly in favor of status for legal, long-term guest workers.

7. - ? DOI's report is focused on WORKING, legal individuals in our community.

8. - ?

9. - ? Status would be applied to people that are already legally present and have been for more than 5 years and people that are and have been working in the CNMI. expansion?

11. status will be a reality that has a wide range of meanings, possibilities, and applications.

12. - refer to 9

18. - what are you talking about

19. - what are you saying? leadership in the CNMI has always been in flux. are talking about the racial make-up of future leadership? that too is always in flux. what are you saying?


ron, what is this?

Anonymous said...

They weren't even honest about the number of people who showed up! If noses grew like Pinocio's every time one of these clowns told a lie, their noses would reach to Tinian already.

Anonymous said...

to teacher i used to think you were a smart guy. no more! When did the guest workers " seem bent on making this issue race, nationalism, and hatred?" NEVER!

What do you speak teacher, Chamorro? You speak in your native tongue. What is your point here? To upset innocent people?

So someone needs to keep there government job as a teacher. I hope my children never have you teaching them. You don't know what you talk about.

Voter said...

I am fed up with all the candidates, with the governor, with the legislature and with 200 people claiming that they speak for me. You do not. Status for all nonresidents!!!

Anonymous said...

There were no "surprising" comments. Fitial and this crowd never liked the U.S. They want to rule the CNMI with no federal interference using federal dollars. The U.S. is only their piggy bank. They are not patriotic and do not even consider themselves Americans. That, my friend, is a fact, and that is what this is about.

Such a pity that Kilili drank the Fitial koolaid, He's all about trying to get votes. Can you say, backfire? Backfire like he just shot himself in the head.

Anonymous said...

Way to insult the hand that feeds you -the FEDS! Where did these politicians, including Kilili, learn politics? They are childish fools.

the teacher said...

“Ron Hodges You do not know everything. We want status because we lived here most of our lives. How about you? You like it here? Are you better than us because you are a citizen? Are you more important than us?”

I agree, yes, no, and no. I am also not entitled to move freely and work, own business, reside without visa, and certainly have no right to demand anything and I’m not entitled to voting rights, aid, or owning land in many nations in this region.



“We do not promote hate at our rallies.”

I didn’t accuse any one person but post federalization marches are extremely divisive and both sides toss the terms “we”, “us”, “them”, and “those people” around in a time we should be facing statistics and real economic concerns.



“You do not know how fast Congress will act.”

None know if Congress will ever act, much less when. All things considered, I doubt if it will be anytime soon, and if I was predicting, I would guess not before 2014, and certainly not before the 2010 census data has been gathered and analyzed.




“Our kids are already enrolled in the schools and schools are not going to be "packed." The funding is based on how many students. “

Improving status would reduce numbers but citizenship would have the serious consequence of inundating the schools with family members from abroad.



“Maybe if you are so worried about packed schools you can tell all the people not to have kids including locals and US.”

I am not worried about anything, but the world faces a problem with overpopulation from uneducated countries that can’t feed themselves. Overpopulation isn’t affecting the US to a large degree other than aid sent to helpless nations, which will drop in the prolonged economic depression.



“Not every OCW has US kids that can petition them. Those with no kids don't deserve status after years here?”

The US is a nation that guards residents against discrimination based on race, color, creed, religion, country of origin, gender, and whether or not you have procreated.




“Kilili is not the whole US Congress and he may have a big ego to think that the US will go against what is a just decision.”

I wouldn’t underestimate Kilili’s influence with the Democratic members and believe workers would be well advised to work toward a future that can coexist with, and is encouraged by, the citizens here. And as for the big ego part, weren’t you the one that didn’t promote hate and division here? Your cause will be better promoted by your silence.

Anonymous said...

Ron,

I'm agreeing with noni 10:17 on a couple points.

I don't see hate from both sides. I see hate from the indigenous rally. I think your comments of late are as hateful as 10:17, which I don't consider hateful.

Kilili has a big ego if he thinks he has much influence with Democrats after he took a dig at the Obama Administration's DOI report and then attended a rally with people hurling anti-American comments. Some people taped the speeches. It will be interesting to hear what was said that wasn't reported in the papers. Any national politician with any common sense would distance himself from that type of protest. It's not going to play well in Washington. Even if by some miracle he does get re-elected he won't be too popular in Washington after this.

the teacher said...

ron,

“you are a teacher so please back up your "facts" with data and any other indicator of their validity.”

Exactly why the US will wait for the census data to be collected and analyzed and why we need a long transition period.




most specifically these ones:

“1. - FALSE. the majority here is strongly in favor of status for legal, long-term guest workers. “

That this is false is absolutely ridicules and anyone that lives here or sits around the same picnic tables that I have knows it is true.




“7. - ? DOI's report is focused on WORKING, legal individuals in our community.”

This item to consider mentions that the CNMI (government or US) has no provisions to take care of US citizen children in case illegal’s were deported(and they choose to leave children), so that should give all sides incentive to work an agreeable coexistence the all parties can live with.




“9. - ? Status would be applied to people that are already legally present and have been for more than 5 years and people that are and have been working in the CNMI. expansion?”

I mistakenly put status instead of citizenship (mentioned in the 2nd email) which would greatly expand our population. The 2 main reasons locals oppose citizenship (besides voting) is increased numbers of relatives from abroad, which would be certain. This is why the US should use the census data, begin the transitional workers CW program, and let the well thought out transition period program work.



“11. status will be a reality that has a wide range of meanings, possibilities, and applications.”

I believe status is a generalized term with many meanings and interpretations.


“19. - what are you saying? leadership in the CNMI has always been in flux. are talking about the racial make-up of future leadership? that too is always in flux. what are you saying?”

I’m saying that that we will immediately have a non-NMD Governor and legislature, and that would be alotta change here.



And I ignore the idiotic comments.

Anonymous said...

Noni 11:29

Lighten up! Kilili will still be popular with the tea party backers who are in Congress! BRAHAHAHAHA!

the teacher said...

Noni 11:29, I also agree with 10:17on a couple points. I don't mean any comment hateful but on this web site, if any comment doesn't coddle workers, it is attacked by noni trolls. I would prefer to just keep to the topic.

I don't know what Kilili said or didn't say because I wasn't there, but I do know workers rights will be more likely to be advanced here with reason, logic, and by breaking down individual cases.

Mass hysteria and calling our Delagate names will not help this case

Anonymous said...

Census data or any other data will not be needed before action will be taken in the Congress. The Obama Administration signed off on the data submitted in the report as being sufficient for the provision when it approved the report.

Anonymous said...

Alien workers who are counting on quick action from the Congress to grant green cards or citizenship will be disappointed. Aliens who are not working legally, and just hanging around waiting for improved status will be even more disappointed. For most, improved status will require an employer who wants to sponsor the worker, and certify that no U.S. citizen wants the job.

BOTW said...

ron,
for a teacher, i can not believe some of the things you say.

...greatly expand our population... (because of) increased number of relatives from abroad.

i am sure you are aware that to be able to petition for relatives, one would have to show proof of financial ability. with the prevailing wage rate here paid to even those who are categorized as professionals, how many do you think would qualify to cause sudden influx of relatives from abroad? you claim there are so many unemployed right now, so how can they qualify to petition? then you say most will pack up and leave, you think they will petition for their relatives to come and stay in the CNMI and not to somewhere else in the U.S. with them?

you seem to make it appear that there would be a SUDDEN increased population here of 15,816 (at the rate of 1 relative for each alien at the least) if all aliens are conferred status asap.

i don't get it ron! are you trying to feed more fear to the locals?

and oh, not to forget your line - "uneneducated countries that can't feed themselves." i guess this line says it all. your oh so mighty self actually looks down upon less fortunate people and you are just masquerading as a champion of what is right for the CNMI.

btw, you are aware that about 80% of the total number in the DOI report are filipinos right? hmmm... uneducated countries... hmmm...

Anonymous said...

Ron,

"The 2 main reasons locals oppose citizenship (besides voting) is increased numbers of relatives from abroad, which would be certain."


Can you lead by example and leave the CNMI. You and your wife have increased the number of people from abroad and have become a burden. Can you also push our CNMI government to shore up our borders against non-indigenous people like you that have come here and have watered down the indigenous controls over government?

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Ron, you then said, "I’m saying that that we will immediately have a non-NMD Governor and legislature, and that would be alotta change here."

This is your motive and many others behind not endorsing DOI recommendations. It is outright racist! We are a part of the USA any US Citizen can become governor. You need to realize that a guest worker will not become governor if DOIs recommendations are followed. a US CITIZEN will. YOU bring race into this and champion refusing DOI recommendations because of fear of other ethnicities taking government elected positions.

So damn wrong. So damn un-American.

BOTW said...

Noni 12:21pm,

there will be no disappointment because we CWs are just requesting and we are very much aware that there is no certainty on anything at this point.

i believe that current employment rate would not be a negative factor. what would count would be the future need of the CNMI. wasn’t these why the umbrella permit was thought of - to prepare for the future need? when DHS recognized the umbrella permit, they were aware of the employment status of the permit holders, DHS was aware of the intent of its issuance. one of the provisions of PL 110-229 is to ensure that Commonwealth employers have access to adequate labor.

how many menial job categories do you think would be interesting for U.S. citizens?

everyone believes that the economy will bounce back, and that to speed it up a bit, it would really help if this issue is settled soon. locally, we can strengthen a consumer based economy when the dust finally settles down.

we continue to hope and pray, whatever happens, we move on...

the teacher said...

Comments against Kilili are uncalled for. He has a right, perhaps even a responsibility to attend and listen to everyone and anyone’s views, especially indigenous voters. He was instrumental in bringing other members of the House here that listened to workers statements, even though that was not popular with many local voters.

I am thankful we have representation in Congress, especially one that is so easily accessible, reasonable, and informed on all issues. I am especially glad he wears D-CNMI by his name. Furthermore, he is extremely respected in Washington for his work ethic, hands on down to earth approach, and modest lifestyle. He kept us all informed with weekly updates from Congress and I would think we should all be thankful to finally have representation in Washington.

Most nonis here wouldn’t stand a chance of getting 100 votes in an election here, and could do a lot worse for representation. At some point after the regulations begin, those who have real employers like the hotels, Marianas Variety, and the Tribune, should be allowed to apply for permanent residence, if they so choose, post haste. Those without employers, like the noni above said, may be disappointed.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone noticed the picture of a firefighter on fotogalleria at saipan tribune site doing their job on the indigenous rally? - sprinkles the dusty ground ...

Captain said...

Without getting into the particulars of this "debate" at this moment.
JFYI, for any person with a US status to "petition" their relatives from abroad, the average time in the past has been at least four years.(per many of my friends,and workers)
There are many hoops to go through and expenses.

I am going to leave the "Teacher's" comments alone for this moment, but some of his comments I do not particularly agree with and have to analyze deeper when I have the time.
Everybody should take a deep breath and collect their facts and thoughts on both sides of this issue.
Look thoroughly at from within this admin and specifically at who is/has thrown out much untruths, misconceptions, and plain incomprehension on actual events, facts and laws and is taking advantage and "infecting" many that do not have the education to understand the reality and truth.

In the meantime I (and others) are on a campaign to get the wages raised in the private sector to equal the NMI Govt's wages..
If everybody would start making noise to this admin and business and try and make them answer to this, all may fall in place.

The unemployment rate will drop, most of the local families will be employed, the Govt payroll will drop also and the cut back in the work hours can be eliminated.
This will not happen overnight as this admin is fighting against this tooth and nail.(along with business, many foreign owned also).
If the NMI economy is ever to recover, this basic thing will have to happen first.
All will benefit.

Anonymous said...

I found Ron's comment on "Time will tell" interesting. He may have a point there. Why should the U.S. rush to get non-residents on the pathway to citizenship when the market of employment will dry up and force folks to go home? If their children can petition for them, that will be one path. If they have married a U.S. citizen, there is another path. If they join the military, there you go.

The "plight" of guest workers may be of little priority these days in Congress. They are fighting for their re-election and there is good reason to be concerned. If there is "Change" in November, then there will be "No Change" in Congress much less for Obama's Immigration Agenda. Obama no longer has the majority. Funny enough, Fitial also does not have a majority giving him any mandate.

I don't want a referendum. I want another election or an opportunity for a recall. Can I vote to recall Melvin Faisao and his stupid comment? Would he like to turn in his Passport, renounce his citizenship, and stick with the Certificate of Identity? Be the first please. Melvin the Jackass: the poster boy for Fitial's Fanatics (not Fantastics).

Anonymous said...

I am not name calling. Kilili decided to go to the hate-filled and anti-American rally (see Sixto and others comments). That is his prerogative. He decided to bring his staff and hand out his letter on his DOI stance (no real stance at all).

I am, as he put it, angered, worried and disappointed but not by the DOI report, but by his letter and the comments he has been making lately.

Kilili, needs to man up and take a firm stance on this issue. There was nothing to fear contained in the DOI recommendations. Unless Kilili would like to have all alien workers deported. Is that what he wants?

What are the other options? The status quo? Burn the Covenant?

He says we need time and need to listen to the people. This issue has been going on for ages. It is time to take a stance and lead.

I will listen to what all candidates have to say and what their stance on status for CNMI guest workers is. That issue alone will decide where my vote goes.

Anonymous said...

Someone should call the police. Teacher-Ron the friend to the workers and supporter of American ideals has been kidnapped and a confused imposter has replaced him. Maybe the new Ron is an Avatar. Have the authorities been alerted?

Teacher-Ron you are supporting Kilili and that is fine, but let's have a little reality. The guy attended a RACIST meeting knowing beforehand that the theme was bashing Uncle Sam and denying rights to thousands of deserving people. He will NOT get my vote.

After scanning comments I have found that there was very little name calling here. One person called all politicians childish fools. That person may be on to something, and it was a sweeping statement. One person said Kilili had a big ego. That's not far off. To write a letter claiming that he has the final say in Congress and show up at what he knew beforehand was to be a very racist meeting and think he can keep votes does show he has a rather large ego. If a meeting like that was held in any of the 50 states it would have been the lead story in every major news network. It would have been condemned by the media, by rights groups across the nation, and by by fellow US citizens who do not sit back and justify racist meetings. Do you remember when the KKK was in its prime holding meetings and marches? How many US Congressmen attended them? Same thing, Teacher-Ron. The fact that our CONGRESSMAN attended is a BIG fing deal. He has a right to attend, because everyone has that right. What is so damn shocking is that a U.S. Congressman made the DECISION to stand with the people attacking Uncle Sam and fighting to deny rights to long-term nonresidents. They do not want people of other races to have rights, to become US citizens, or to vote for other US citizens in an election. Kilili and his backers can't say he attended to be fair to all sides. He holds town hall meetings, meets with the Chamber and is available to locals all the time. He did not have to attend a RACIST meeting where bashing America was the main agenda item.

Teacher-Ron, your campaign speech for Kilili sounds like something you read off of a Kilili for Congress fact sheet. He may have been respected in Congress before, but he WILL lose respect when other members learn that he attended this meeting. Life is interesting like that. You can be a great person for all of your life and then you commit a crime and that is what sticks in people's minds.

Anonymous said...

Noni 8:29pm,

SPOT ON!

I re-read the comments and also wondered where the premature jump in from Ron came from backing up his local bro Kilili.

Kilili's fence riding is getting the best of him. He not only showed up to this hate group and anti-American rally, he came and passed out his brochures with his staff.

The rally speakers stated that they do not embrace the Covenant and that they do not feel they are American. They openly state that the CNMI is Sovereign. These statements all border on treason. They are un-American and they go against our current form of government. The Covenant was a founding document to the government that exists today in the CNMI. If they do not respect the Covenant and they do not honor what it laid out in it and they do not believe that the USA is our sovereign than why on earth are they working for the frigin CNMI government? Talk about nonsense!

Sixto, Mel, Inos, Vicky, Fitial, Cinta and the rest need to check their US passports at the door, resign from duty in our US Commonwealth government and start a pro-indigenous Chamorru Nation (don't try and grab federal money to fund it either).

Anonymous said...

I supported Kilili in the 2008 election. After learning that he attended a racist anti-American rally I highly doubt I will be supporting him in the 2010 election.

I'm sick of politicians pandering to the worst in us and all that is criminal/selfish/hateful/ irrational. Kilili, Joe Camacho, Jesse Borja think that by attending this racist Fitial rally they will gain indigenous votes. Guess what, you three. I am Chamorro, and none of you will get my vote.

I'd rather boycott this election than cast my vote for another spineless politician ever again.

Anonymous said...

8:29, 8:47 and 8:48

HEAR, HEAR!!!! That's what I'm talking about!

Anonymous said...

Ron, resign as a teacher and be Kilili's campaign manager. Who knows if he wins you'll be his sidekick and will be attending all congressional activities with him, so you will learn more about congress; not by getting unfounded facts and post it here.

Anonymous said...

Oh and 1:02 HEAR, HEAR!!!! You speak the TRUTH. How refreshing in this muddied mess.

Anonymous said...

Please read the local petition names
http://www.petitiononline.com/4NMI/petition.html

and look at the people who spoke at the rally. BOYCOTT THEIR BUSINESSES NOW!

Anonymous said...

After this rally, I cannot vote in the election. There is no one who I can vote for with a clear conscience.

Anonymous said...

I'll vote for whoever has the balls to support US citizenship for the nonresidents.

Anonymous said...

The fact remains that KILILI WROTE THE LETTER ON OFFICIAL US CONGRESS LETTERHEAD AND HE HANDED IT OUT AT A HATE RALLY WHERE PEOPLE BASHED UNCLE SAM AND MADE RACIST REMARKS AGAINST FOREIGN CONTRACT WORKERS. Any US official who does that deserves to be scrutinized and criticized. He may be the best of the worst, but that is not good enough to get MY vote.

Anonymous said...

Ron!! Why???? what happened to all that you've said before?what happend to you?

Anonymous said...

Not sure where Ron veered off. It's quite sad. The racism is coming from the braindeads on one side. Period.

Look at those ridiculous remarks from Igisomar. No wonder the retirement is zooming downhill fast. Earth to Igisomar, maybe the FSM is that independant nation you're looking for. Your "feelings" on the Covenant and Commonweath, do not trump the vote of the people of the Northern Marianas to become members of the US family.

Anonymous said...

the Captain said:

"In the meantime I (and others) are on a campaign to get the wages raised in the private sector to equal the NMI Govt's wages.."

The majority of the CNMI would benefit from an increase in private sector wages, however politicians and businesses are against it, and guest workers know deep down, higher wages will mean many of them will be replaced.

NB Forest said...

From the MVariety....

Quote #5 the teacher 2010-06-01 14:33
"Demapan said the CNMI still needs guest workers.
“What I would prefer is the status quo."

Federalization ended the status quo. This is an attempt to further the two tiered system of servitude in America. It is now time for the US to make a special emergency immigration adjustment for all workers held in the NMI version of modern day bondage.and wipe the stains of servitude fostered and advanced in the NMI for a generation. This type bigotry will leave the US with no other alternative other than citizenship for all.

PS Servitude is finished here, and this is not your island, it is America. So, either improve their status, send them through the normal US procedures, or send them home, as modern day slavery of restricting workers is over.

Anonymous said...

With the exception of highly skilled positions with proper licenses and certifications, the CW visa will probably continue the 2 tiered system until at least 2014and it can be extended indefinitely. I expect many employers to file CW visas for highly skilled positions, and non-certified, unlicensed professionals, will continue to be paid $4.55/hr.

Employers will obtain H-visas for family members, and other employees that qualify will be let go, and be replaced by unlicensed and uncertified staff. The CW regulation obviously haven't been released yet, but I expect the 2 tiered system of wages to continue for quite a while.

Captain said...

Noni 2:43, That may be true, but it will happen anyway.If all of the CW are given status many will leave to Guam and elsewhere. The ones that stay will continue to have a job as all will compete for jobs based upon their skills and work "ethics".

If the CW are not given status they will most likely be under the "H" visa system which will eliminate many of the "non skilled".
Even if status is given there will be a need for the "visa" workers (which also has provisions for their non-working families)

When the time comes for the "visa" workers the wages will be increased to the prevailing US wages for the particular job anyway.(as in Guam)
The job has to be advertised in the US also.
This makes it more expensive to hire CW workers rather than "local".
These workers will be "skilled and "highly skilled".
The local wages will have to be raised up at that time anyway to meet the required wages for the job.
As stated, there is not enough local trained workforce to cover all of the job requirements.
"Visa" workers have a max time on renewals (3 years) then they have to go back home for so many months before being allowed to work in the US again.(I believe it is six months)

In the case of a status that allows the CW to travel and work freely in the US, the same thing will happens as they will go to where the wages are higher such as Guam and that will force the private sector to raise their wages to keep a workforce here.

Unless a permanent status is given to the CW, the days of the house worker and other "non skilled" worker will soon be over.
The "local" families will have to start taking care of their own families and affairs.
Many of these jobs most likely may be taken by the Pacific Islanders.(if they will do them)

Anonymous said...

Be careful what you wish far. Kilili does not get along with the current administration. Camacho? Does insurance cover the operation to have stings surgically attached to body and a remote control voice box installed in your throat? Fitial is checking it out now.
Borja? Pleeeeeeese.
Let's face it, your're not going to get a Washington Rep that is going to be green card/citizenship status. Oh, they could run, but they won't get elected. Heck, Tina could not make it as Senator and her beliefs about the status of workers is probably what did her in.
Kilili is probably a good pick because the other ones are running to specifically deny the workers improved status. The sad fact is Kilili might not win because of his "moderate" stance on the issue.

Anonymous said...

Tina did not get to be a Senator because the election was rigged. Same reason why Fitial is still governor.

Anonymous said...

I am carefully wishing that Kilili grows a set and does the right thing by distancing himself from these anti-American people and endorses the DOI recommendations for the betterment of the CNMI!

Anonymous said...

To Anoi 10:52:
Kilili is not going to endorse the DOI recommendations. He might want to. It's not really brave to jump off a 30 story building. However, he has already been as distant has he can be with the current administation. They don't like him at all. They want their puppet in the job. The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not totally accurate here, but it beats getting beat up by both the Governor and his mouthpiece should he get elected.

Anonymous said...

As far as Tina losing the election becuase it was rigged, I don't believe that.
She decided to not spend any money on her campaign. It worked before, but this was for a much bigger job. Her strategy did not work simple as that.
While I think she would have made a good senator, or at worst an honest one, she was very vocal about her views with respect to the contract workers. I respect her views, but I do think it was one of the main things that cost her the election.

Anonymous said...

Kilili should run for Governor of the CNMI with Tina, Zaldy, or the teacher as his running mate.

The position of ZD and the teacher calls for moderation and compromise used over time and is not such a bad strategy. Some posters here should think a little before they write.

Anonymous said...

Likewise, support of indigenous rights is no more "hate speech" than endorsing Native American rights or the Unity March, for that matter.

Anonymous said...

6:55 am "Some people should think a little before they write." Yes, indeed and please start with yourself! Kilili shouldn't run for anything because he is always running from something. We need leaders with principle and conviction. Tina yes. The rest, no way!

Anonymous said...

7:08 There is no comparison between the indigenous people inviting thousands of workers to their islands and protesting them having rights and the Indians being invaded and having their land stolen.

Do you even know that the unity march was a protest against 15-108?

the teacher said...

It may be productive to compromise and work toward realistic solutions to our labor and immigration debacle, as opposed to having marches and rallies. The NMI needs a foreign labor force...how many is unclear. We have many workers that would not have employers or eligible for the CW program...how many is unclear until the transitional program is enacted. The US is not likely to move on this issue this year, if ever, and nearly impossible without the support of the citizens and the Delegate.

Local citizens may be agreeable and in favor of allowing workers with five years employment and a current employer to apply for permanent residence status, number 2 on the DOI recommendations.

Local citizens may support, or at least may not object, to other workers that are unskilled or chronically unemployed being improved to an FAS equivalent status, or number 4 on the list. I think this works for a lot of people and answers complicated issues such as the well being of US citizen children, the freedom to travel helps the NMI unemployment emergency, and may open more opportunity here for citizens. Call me names if you like, buy I don't understand why an unemployed CGW wouldn't be ecstatic to have this improved status to number 2 or 4.

Prior to federalization, many CGWs supported CNMI only status more than federalization, citing "do we want status or do we want to help our families". The ability to travel should appease the unemployed worker and unemployed citizen while allowing the Commonwealth to forge an economy that is not drained by remittances, a primary intent of this law.

If we could achieve this, it would be a win-win for many people here, and would be a hell of a lot better than having some bureaucrats that can't find Saipan on a map dictate our future. So I would can the rallies as the last one incited the local movement.

Wendy said...

I disagree with several of the teacher's points. First, there will be and there MUST be rallies and marches as long as there continues to be injustice. These are vital to get the message to elected leaders, especially for those who are denied any other political and social rights. I wish I could have been in the CNMI for the last Unity march to stand with the long term foreign workers and those who support American ideals and values who are courageous enough to fight for their rights.

What is happening in the CNMI has reached the absolutely outrageous and disgusting point. The national media is watching and will be descending soon and I hope that when the American people see this, Congress will be finally forced do the right thing. Let the other nations of the world see the hypocrisy of our words when we preach human rights.

It is enormously and unforgivably wrong that so many people have been, and continue to be denied their rights on US soil. Why people propose and argue about what they should receive or what they deserve is mind boggling. It is very simple. This is America and they should receive an unobstructed pathway to citizenship. The end. Amen.

It is horrible to read the comments that propose ridiculous and restrictive status plans (like 18 years) It's not like the foreign workers just showed up yesterday. Aside from the fact that it is not the CNMI, but the United States who will decide what status should be granted, the foreign workers are, and have been, a VITAL part of the community for decades. People need to get real. There will be no status that requires more than 5 years because that is un-American. Remember that the CNRA was to bring the CNMI into federal naturalization and immigration compliance and align it finally with federal law. Where on US soil is there a law that a person can live and work in the US for 8, 10 or 18 years and denied basic human, political, social and civil rights?

Ron, FAS status is evil. It denies political and social rights. It is counter to the provisions in the UN Declaration of Human Rights. I opposed it from the time it was first proposed in what would become PL 100-229 and I still oppose such a status for FAS citizens. Would you like to be part of a community where you can't vote? Talk about racist, unconstitutional and plain un-democratic. Why not just brand the foreign workers with a big D for disenfranchised?

"Local people may not object..." Local people never objected to the foreign workers being there as long as they were kept down, indentured and denied rights. Local people are a minority because they allowed their leaders to bring in tens of thousands of workers over the years. Now the CNRA and Congress will decide the fate of the foreign workers.

I am not sure what "local" people you talk to, but the local people who I know -who email me, call me, who were among the 7,000 plus who signed the petition for green cards and a direct pathway to citizenship- support the DOI Report and they support a pathway to citizenship.

The CNMI is US soil. Do you think that the local leaders who allowed these good people to stay, that allowed them to be cheated -the leaders that still try to keep them under their rule with evil laws like the unconstitutional PL 17-1 - will want anything that is JUST, DEMOCRATIC, MORAL, ETHICAL, or AMERICAN? They just bashed America at a racist rally! They want to keep the status quo (they have even been quoted as saying that) and the nice little scheme where PEOPLE can be TREATED like SUBHUMANS and denied RIGHTS.

Wendy said...

CONTINUED...

I am reaching out aggressively to members of Congress who support American ideals and principles, who have nothing to lose by backing what our great country is all about, what we represent, the ideals that we cherish, and what is right. You can hang your bets on the locals and the delegate. I am not sitting here and watching my country continue to allow thousands of foreign workers to be DENIED THEIR BASIC RIGHTS.

I challenge your use of "many" in some of your scenerios. Some "prior proposals" were schemes supported by a handful of workers who were aligned with the local government who was fighting federalization. Long term workers do not need to be "appeased" -they need to receive every penny of back wages and they need RIGHTS. Appeasement does not equal JUSTICE.

You said, "If we could achieve this, it would be a win-win for many people here, and would be a hell of a lot better than having some bureaucrats that can't find Saipan on a map dictate our future. So I would can the rallies as the last one incited the local movement."

First off, what bureaucrat are you speaking of? The members of the U.S. Congress will decide.

I encourage EVERY FOREIGN WORKER not to leave your fate to those who have never walked in your shoes, those who regard you as only economic tools to meet the needs of the CNMI, those who want to keep you suppressed, or those who wish to maintain the status quo to write, petition, RALLY, MARCH, boycott and use every legal means you have to tell the people in Washington where you stand, what you have accomplished, how much money is owed to you, and why you want to become part of the American family. I WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS! I am PROUD To be your advocate and friend and I stand with you always.

Captain said...

Teacher, I apologize in a comment when I said I do not necessarily agree on some of your comments. I confused you with "Saipan Realty" I believe it is Ron.
I disagree with some of his comments.
I general am in agreement with many of your statements.

Anonymous said...

Captain, the teacher=Saipan Reality=Ron

Wendy said...

Teacher said: "So I would can the rallies because the last one incited the local movement."

That is totally incorrect. The rally organized by the foreign workers and their advocates was a rally for justice, basic rights and to show support for the DOI report. THOUSANDS supported it. There was no hostility, no hatred, no racsim at that rally. There was a call for understanding and unity. Read the speeches.

It was the "local movement" that created the hateful system. Some individuals have always harbored racist views. More recently it has been promoted by some local leaders including Ben Fitial who brags about writing the first labor law that ensured that the locals would be a minority in their own land. The local leaders created and support/ed the two-teired system that is one small step beneath slavery. The local people endorse/d it by continuing to elect the people who wanted more and more workers to keep wages artificailly low so they could reap the financial benefits and fill their pockets. And now they worry about locals not having jobs and long-term workers having status? Where have they been for three decades? They were deaf and blind?

It was the realization that the party is over that incited the HATE in a visible form that you call the local movement or what I call the indigenous rally-hatefest. Maybe the DOI Report was a wakeup call?

Except for the Taotao Tano, any racism has not been publicly vocalized to any real extent. I believe because the MAJORITY of the locals are NOT racist and are very generous and loving people who regard the long term workers as their fellow community members and want them to have status. The LOCAL MOVEMENT comprised of leaders and haters has come out of the shadows, but it was always there and it has always represnted only a SMALL and INSIGNIFICANT number of indigenous people and those who support them to keep a cushy government position, contract or some kind of power.

The problem is that now the elected leaders are among the loudest voices pushing their racist agenda and they control the only jobs that pay a decent wage, the government jobs. You could always see the disrespect for the workers and racism in the unconsitutional laws that deny foreigners of civil and constitutional rights, in the defiance to federal authority, in the anti-federalization lawsuit and in the snarky letters to federal officials. All of these acts were committed by local leaders. The arrogance of these leaders knows no bounds. "Give me the money and then go to hell" has been their attitude towards the federal government for decades. Now they have taken off the masks and admitted who they are through hateful speech at the rally and in the press. Let the world read what they said at this hate-fest and where they stand. Their stand is UN-AMERICAN. And NO, the peaceful rally supporting the DOI report was JUSTIFIED and it sent a strong message to Washington and to the international media.

Teacher, you are Ron, right? If so, I like you, I consider you a friend, but I strongly disagree with this point and many that you have expressed over the last couple of weeks.

Anonymous said...

Why is Interior hiding the numbers of guest workers resident in the CNMI for 8 years, 13 years, 15 years, 18 years, or more?

"Justice" can NEVER be built on deception, games and tricks! Two wrongs do not make a right. The scams of the CNMI government and some guest workers do not justify even more wrongdoing by Interior.

The world is watching!

Do it properly, correctly, and in accordance with the rule of law!

Start by providing lawful permanent residence immediately for those who have resided in the CNMI for 18 years or more.

No delay!

Work on the others when you get the economic data to support it.

Do not make "the perfect" the enemy of the good. Rome was not built in a day. Step by step.

Anonymous said...

2:01 Are you stuck on stupid? Interior did not report numbers past 5 years because in the United States there is no permanent residency that requires more than 5 years residency.

The world is watching alright.

R. Hodges said...

If it were taken to vote(among workers), allowing 5 year workers with real employers (and I have never mentioned 18 yrs, so many of those statements above must be for someone else)to apply for permenent resident would be a great win for workers here. In addition, allowing those who can't qualify for PR, either becuase they have no employer, or their immigration/labor status is muddled (and by muddled I mean they have been operating their own business for years)to apply for a FAS type residence seems reasonable to me and I don't know an unemployed worker, especially those who lined up late at night for the Guvs umbrellas to thwart federalization, that wouldn't jump at the chance to grab a right to travel and work in America, considering many have been guilty of "paper fixing' without employers for years.

And I have never changed my opinion on this issue at all. I do try to keep the story true and real. So, on the 7k signatures, I signed the petition, but I also read every signature counting citizens, and when the nonis, children, foreign nationals, and workers are eliminated, there aren't many CNMI citizens left, and I was one of those signers.

r.hodges said...

PS Zaldy has written brilliant opinions on this matter and he lives here and shows no bias on this matter. I think the strategy of compromise is smart, especially for the unemployed worker. Perhaps my writing ability couldn’t convey that sentiment as eloquently as an experienced editor.

The World Is Watching said...

In the United States no one gets lawful permanent residence based upon presence here in a non-immigrant status, no matter how long they have been here.

This is an action of legislative grace we are talking about, a gift, not an entitlement, based on the equities of the situation including abuses, U.S. citizen family members, contributions to the community, and many other factors.

But one of the MAJOR considerations is the economic consequences to the Commonwealth and its indigenous people of granting Lawful Permanent Residence to such a large number of people as all guest workers who have been in the CNMI a mere five years.

The only people “stuck” on anything are those who refuse to recognize the essential requirement of an economic study.

However, we can all agree that those who have lawfully resided in the CNMI for 18 years are in a sufficiently small number that no significant harm would occur to anyone else from granting them Lawful Permanent Residence now. This year.

Biba Kilili!

Anonymous said...

r. hodges being a writer does not may one right.

Anonymous said...

6:51 There is no need for anymore economic studies. Status is not based on the economy. If nonresidents marry U.S. citizens do they get status only if the economy supports them staying? And who decides what economic factors matter? And who decides whether a person has to stay or not in a locality? The status police? If a U.S. citizen petitions his parents, can they be granted status only if the economy supports them being in a locality? Do they do an economic report in any of the fifty states to decide if people get status? Granting status has NEVER depended on the economy. GET ON WITH IT USA!

Anonymous said...

What pray tell makes indigenous people more important than any other US citizen? Please can someone explain this?

Anonymous said...

anon 8:30 am.

right on! nice call!

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:30am
"What pray tell makes indigenous people more important than any other US citizen? Please can someone explain this?"

From their side: "What pray tell makes contract workers with foreign passports demand things from the USA? Please can someone explain this?"

The World Is Watching said...

What makes the survival of the indigenous in the CNMI more important than immigration's effects on other citizens residing here is that this is their homeland and the Covenant was not a genocide pact. You may or may not be aware of the U.S. history of maltreatment of its indigenous inhabitants. We won't go down that road again!

As for the requirement of an economic study, it is absolutely essential to ensure we don't repeat what was done to Native Americans and Hawaiians. The other categories mentioned by Noni 8:29 are family status categories that already apply here and reflect the preference given to family reunification under our immigration laws. That is already the law! We are now talkin about a proposed new law to help the CNMI guest workers.

Yes, it must balance the interests of the CNMI versus any federal interest in granting status. That is the law of the Ninth Circuit and also in the Covenant Section 903 anti-federalization lawsuit; any Act of Congress in violation would be struck down quickly by a court.

So it is important to do it right, not only for the indigenous people, and CNMI residents affected by the local economy, but also by the guest workers themselves, so any law giving them status is not subject to a lawsuit and injuction holding things up even more.

The rule of law must be obeyed!

This is the United States of America, not the People's Republic of China, Islamic Republic of Bangladesh, Republic of the Philippines, or elsewhere where the law does not always garner the same respect as it does here.

Anonymous said...

In the context of the US Constitution, The Covenant and the CNMI Constitution there is no difference between a Chamorro/Carolinian US Citizen and any other US Citizen (aside from land issues).

Why on earth the noni's above and those against status think there is such a provision is beyond me. We are part of the USA not an independent nation.

Anonymous said...

more -

"Here are a few other programs that were implemented within the past 15 years:

- The Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA) Amnesty of 1986 - the "one-time only" blanket amnesty for some 2.8 million illegal aliens.

- Section 245(i) The Amnesty of 1994 - a temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens.

- Section 245(i) The Extension Amnesty of 1997 - an extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994.

- The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty of 1997 - an amnesty for nearly one million illegal aliens from Central America.

- The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) of 1998 - an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.

- The Late Amnesty of 2000 - an amnesty for approximately 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty.

- The LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000 - a reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty to an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens.

Nearly 6 million foreigners in just these cases alone were granted citizenship. This doesn't account for the numerous others that receive citizenship through marriage or the millions who are granted it via the green card lottery every year.

It is easy for us to think that our situation is so unique and that the granting of citizenship is such an outrageous request but with a bit of research it becomes evident that the failure to grant our long term guest workers status would be the outrageous response."

Anonymous said...

Noni 6:51AM:

I know now where Kilili is getting his advice. Poor thing. You should help him out and stop feeding him the garbage that you are posting here. You may also want to end with an endorsement of another candidate to help him even more.

Here is some insight I found on another blog into the heartless Congress you speak of and their past heartless actions:

"I know many people have claimed that this is a national issue and that it is highly controversial and that the US Congress will not grant improved status to our foreign workers. I do not share that view. It is anyone's guess what will occur but we can look at history for relevant cases where status and citizenship was granted. The most applicable case happened to be in the Virgin Islands (Congress Woman Christensen's Area) and happened in 1982. Here is an excerpt of what occurred (I have researched this case extensively and it is eerie how similar it is to our situation here in the NMI):

"The Virgin Island H-2 Program. In the 1950s the H-2 program was used on the U.S. Virgin Islands to allow unskilled workers from various neighboring islands to work in the agricultural and tourist industries. By the 1960, these foreign workers were being employed “for any job” on the Islands. More and more jobs ceased to be temporary so by the end of the 1960s H-2 workers accounted for almost half of the entire work force. The cost of living on the Islands is high so that citizen workers were reluctant to work for the low wages paid to the H-2 workers. Their unemployment increased dramatically. In the meantime, housing, education and social conditions worsened and the H-2 program was described as being 'the biggest single problem' on the Island. As the number of H-2 workers kept increasing, there was even fear that the native born population might lose political control of their homeland. Efforts were made to stop the children of the H-2 workers from attending public schools but federal courts intervened. As the Island’s economy became dependent on H-2 workers a two tiered labor market developed. Ultimately the program was abandoned in 1975 but most H-2 workers were allowed to adjust their status to become permanent resident aliens because by this time they had put down roots in their new land."

Many of our own brothers and sisters here in the NMI were also recipients of granting of citizenship by the US Congress. We received a bulk citizenship grant after a fax came in from Reagan in 1986. At that time around 12000 TT citizens (foreigners in the eyes of the United States) were granted US citizenship outright."

Anonymous said...

In regards to the 5 year time frame:

"- The Naturalization Act of 1795 set the initial parameters on naturalization: resident for five years or more. The Naturalization Act of 1798, part of the Alien and Sedition Acts, was passed by the Federalists and extended the residency requirement from five to fourteen years. It specifically targeted Irish and French immigrants who were involved in Democratic-Republican Party politics. It was repealed in 1802 and set back to 5 years.

- The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, while tightening border controls, also provided the opportunity of naturalization for illegal aliens who had been in the country for at least four years.

OTHER COUNTRIES:

Argentina: 2 years continuous as a permanent resident immediately before the application (dual citizenship is allowed)[2]
Canada: 3 years continuous (1,095 days) as a permanent resident (dual citizenship is allowed)[3]
Netherlands: 5 years continuous[4] (dual citizenship allowed under specific circumstances, such as acquiring a spouse's nationality, otherwise prohibited)
New Zealand: 5 years continuous (reside in NZ for at least 240 days in each of those 5 years, 1,350 days in total) as a permanent resident immediately before the application (dual citizenship is allowed)[5]
Belgium: 3 years continuous[6]
Ireland: 5 years over the last 9 years, including at least 1 year before applying.[7] Dual citizenship is allowed, however Irish citizenship can be revoked if a naturalized citizen obtains citizenship of another state (other than automatic citizenship by marriage) subsequent to naturalization or leaves the state for an extended period without periodically expressing their intention to return.

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i think it is safe to say that 5 years is a pretty good figure for the time needed for a human to reside in a certain place in order to be able to apply for a pathway to citizenship.

why do you think it isn't?

the Virgin Islands used a 5 year time frame as well. that example is nearly parallel to ours here in the CNMI."

The World Is Watching said...

Everyone agrees that five years is a great length of time to be eligible for citizenship after getting Lawful Permanent Residence. That is likely to be required for any of our guest workers who get green cards.

It seems very, very safe to say that Congress will not give a direct grant of citizenship to someone whose residence here was not screened by USCIS. That was the main justification for the takeover in the first place, because the CNMI had no consulates and just let anyone in -- including many scammers who lied on their application about background and qualifications.

I will happily take bets with all comers that there will be no direct grant of citizenship.

What we are talking about is a unique retroactive grant of Lawful Permanent Residence unlike most of the examples above except the USVI.

However, an economic study will likely show significant differences between the USVI in 1982 and the CNMI in 2011. So the USVI 7-year qualification limit for eligibility for Lawful Permanent Residence is likely to increase to 10 years, 12 years, 15 years, or 18 years here in the CNMI.

A lot of it will depend on the alien demographic data Interior is hiding from Congress.

Wendy said...

11:14 Thank you for the valuable information and your insight.

Anonymous said...

The 1986 amnesty was a deal between employers and Congress (who actually represented constitutents) to keep cheap labor and imposed sanctions on employers who knowingly hired illegal workers. Businesses continued hiring illegals depressing wages by using subcontractors. Businesses will continue to depress wages if left unchecked.

As far as other countries citizenship policies, most countries only have a pathway to citizenship for skilled workers. You have to live in Belgium or any EU country for at least 5 years as a "EU Blue Card" holder before you can even apply for permanent residency. And 3 years is the minimum required after permanent residency to obtain citizenship (total of 8) and even then it is extremely difficult.

New Zealand doesn't have a pathway to permanent residency for an unskilled worker or worker over age 45. A 461 visa does not confer permanent residency.

Canada is the only country that I'm aware of that grants permanent residency to unskilled workers after 2 years. I know many college educated people working as maids and obtaining "landed visa" status after 2 years, and after 3 additional years can apply for citizenship.

Anonymous said...

"So the USVI 7-year qualification limit "

you are incorrect. USVI was not a 7 year limit. when the bill was introduced it was for 5 years (but specified an exact date in the bill). it stalled and took 2 years to pass and take effect. thus the 7 year limit. do better research and stop acting like you know so much. you are as dumb as they come! i hope you are not an attorney. course you may be one of the clowns the governor has advising him. in that case i hope you are a volunteer :-)

Anonymous said...

"Businesses will continue to depress wages if left unchecked."

businesses out here have been unchecked for years. the federal government has just checked them.