Preparing for the May 18th Hearing

May 4, 2010


Governor Fitial has formed a working group to have a "uniform position" at the hearing on federalization issued that is scheduled for May 18, 2010.

Members of the working group include Gov. Benigno R. Fitial, Lt. Gov. Eloy S. Inos, Rep. Fredrick P. Deleon Guerrero (Ind-Saipan), Senate President Paul A. Manglona (R-Rota) and Senate Vice President Jude U. Hofschneider (R-Tinian, Senate Floor Leader Pete P. Reyes (R-Saipan), House Speaker Froilan C. Tenorio (Cov-Saipan), Rep. Edmund Villagomez (Cov-Saipan), Rep. Ramon Basa (Cov-Saipan), Rep. Ralph Demapan (Cov-Saipan), Floor Leader George Camacho (Ind-Saipan), Attorney General Edward Buckingham, and the heads of the departments of Labor and Commerce, and the Marianas Visitors Authority.

Hopefully, the Chamber of Commerce will submit it's own testimony, knowing that for the sake of the CNMI businesses to prosper and to improve the economy the DOI position should be embraced.

The governor has complained that the DOI did not "consult with him" or give him a copy of the report before it was released. The CNRA calls for the DOI to submit a report to the U.S. Congress before May 10, 2010. It does not call for the DOI to consult with the CNMI leaders or to give the CNMI leaders a preview of the report. The report reflects the views of the Obama Administration. The governor and anyone else can submit comments to Congress. I will, and I encourage all of the guest workers and their supporters to do the same.

One suggestion of the working group is "raising to eight, 10 or 15 years the minimum threshold of stay in the CNMI for alien workers to be granted improved immigration status," according to the Saipan Tribune. However, the U.S. Congress and Obama Administration have made it very clear that one of the purposes for the federalization bill was to have one consistent immigration law. This proposal is inconsistent with the intent of the CNRA and recommendations from the DOI report.

The Marianas Variety quoted Congressman Sablan as saying he "will not let any CNMI immigration-related legislation go through the U.S. Congress unless it is supported by the people of the commonwealth."

I am assuming that he considers the nonresidents as "people of the commonwealth." After all, a large majority of them have lived in the CNMI for longer than 5 years, have U.S. citizen children, have children in the U.S. Armed Forces and are responsible for contributing much-needed skills and talent to advance the CNMI. Yes, they are disenfranchised, but they make up a large segment of the population and their voices must be heard in Washington, DC.

According to Sablan, “The governor has said that he thinks this is a federal issue. But obviously it’s a local issue, too. Because we do need workers in our economy. And because we need consumers in our economy.”

He added, “Giving all foreign workers green cards, which the governor says is okay, is one end of the spectrum. The other end is to do nothing and let foreign workers be zeroed out by 2014 per Public Law 110-229 [the federalization law]. Most people would probably like to see something between those two extreme positions. This is why we have a transition period: to allow time for these questions to be answered. But we do have to start a serious discussion. The situation calls for some real leadership despite that the issue is messy, difficult and requires compromise.”
Congressman Sablan said, "The political reality in Washington, D.C. is that any immigration legislation faces “an uphill battle in Congress.”

That is true. Never have we seen such ugly partisan politics that have impeded the passage of important legislation. Still, there is a misconception that the issue of long-term legal aliens in the CNMI should somehow be tied to national comprehension reform. This should not be the case. The issue of status for the long-term workers could be a stand-alone bill or be attached to another bill. We must reach out to every pro-immigrant member of Congress and every member who supported federalization and reform in the CNMI. Congress must address this issue now.

Strategy Meeting for Guest Workers

The United Workers Movement -NMI is having its first strategy meeting on Saturday, May 8, 2010 from 2:00 - 4:00pm at American Memorial Park auditorium. Leaders of guest worker groups and their supporters will discuss plans for the Department of Interior’s recommendation to Congress. Those speaking include former Rep. Tina Sablan, Sister Stella and Lupe Manglona. Some local attorneys will also be in attendance to discuss the recommendation, the process that the Congress will take to act on the report and plan a strategy for an immediate action by the U.S. Congress.

Seating is limited, so please RSVP for a reservation. Please call Rabby Syed at 670-285-3306 or Ronnie Doca 670-285-9255 for a reservation.

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

Contract workers who reside and work in the CNMI are not immigrants. They are contract workers. If their intention from the get go was to stay for a long period of time in order to gain US Citizenship then that is a contract violation and fraud.

The Saipan Blogger said...

You should recommend dropping it to zero years.

Anonymous said...

4:21 The intention was to work and make money. NOT TO BE CHEATED. OKAY??? If someone wants to be a US Citizen its not fraud and isn't a contract violation. You can't be a US citizen unless you follow the process. Contract violation is not paying workers what you owe.

Anonymous said...

Every single contract of employment stated that no immigration status would be conferred. The Nonresident Workers Act, the Moratorium, and the Commonwealth Employment Act all made that abundantly clear.

Contract workers should have been given the benefits of their contracts. They should have been treated like human beings by their employers. Their rights should have been protected by the DOLI. But the fact that a worker may have been cheated, or denied basic rights, is not a valid basis for permanent residency. Improved immigration status should be based on whether our economy needs a worker in the future.

Anonymous said...

Very well said 6:15AM. So lucky that they've become US citizens by serving it in a silver platter.

Anonymous said...

If u don't want or need us we can all leave and you can close your hotels and businesses and do your own work.

Anonymous said...

4:21 You are exactly right. Immigrant is an abused word here for the Contract Workers and so is Guest Worker. Contract Workers came here to work, save or send money home, and to return to their home country with savings that would allow them to live with higher standards of living than what was available to them in their home country. There was nothing in their contracts about becoming immigrants or becoming U.S. Citizens. There was something about the contract being valid for one year, and in my opinion, that means a temp job. Of course some employers cheated some contract workers just as they have done to the local residents. That does not entitle you to become U.S. citizens. If someone wants to be a U.S. Citizen, then they need to go through the process, which is extensive. Congress is not going to wave a magic wand and make everyone citizens. Obama is not welcoming any immigration issues this year and maybe not next. The old saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" should have been thought about. Many CW will have to leave once the umbrella permits expire and no improved status is granted. Maybe a small percent will get their work visas to stay and work and get improved status, but it won't happen before 2012.

Anonymous said...

bye workers=bye bye economy

Anonymous said...

#1- TT Citizens from the NMI were never PROMISED US citizenship. USing your logic should my parents and your parents give back the passports?

#2- "Congress is not going to wave a magic wand and make everyone citizens." Magic wand? Like the fax that came in 1986 from Reagan giving blanket citizenship to the 14,000 people of the NMI? Man what a MAGIC WAND!

Anonymous said...

History repeats itself...
We're back to the same situation of giving it or not. Remember the situation is different..The immigration is under US now. I don't think the US wanted it to be a "meztizo" system. Isn't USA?

TAGLISH said...

Anon 4:21 and 7:03

Our contracts have been renewed for several years because people like you CAN'T DO or DO NOT WANT TO DO our jobs here. You NEEDED us! We worked hard and yet you abused us. We DID what’s in the contract, we SERVED you well beyond what’s in our contracts. But why are we still here? Because you enjoy, you like and you still need us. Some of you have loved us and don’t really want to let us go. Some of you have treated us part of their families. Likewise, most of us feel the same way. Most of us spent half of our lives serving you. Most of us enjoyed working with you and loved to train you. We embraced Saipan as our second home. We have served you like how we served our family back home. WE LOVE OUR FAMILIES BACK HOME THAT’S WHY WE LOVE OUR JOB HERE! You need us and we need you, and don’t forget, GOD CREATED US EQUAL.

Anonymous said...

The CNMI people became U.S. citizens because the CNMI became part of the U.S. Your comment 8:33 shows your ignorance about the history of the CNMI to say the least. Your probably have even less knowledge about the country you want to be part of, the United States of America.

Anonymous said...

I see little or no difference in the local culture and Filipino culture. They both are Spanish with a few appointed leaders propped in charge, both super Catholic because Spain forced them to, both are obedient and subservient cultures, both has had their education repressed, neither cultures place a high value on education, theft is considered not being caught in both cultures, and both want as much from America as they can get.

Anonymous said...

Noni 9:13AM,

"U.S. citizens because the CNMI became part of the U.S. Your comment 8:33 shows your ignorance"

You are the ignorant one. The similarity is that no TT Citizen of the NMI was PROMISED US Citizenship. That promise was made by the covenant. No guest workers in the CNMI were PROMISED US Citizenship. That promise is being drafted right now!

You need to study up on your reading comprehension!

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Anonymous said...

TAGLISH, the difference is that you have a country to go back to, and a very fine one at that!

For the indigenous people, this is the only land in the world that they can call their own. If they are displaced or assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, there is nowhere else they can go to get it back.

The indigenous cultures will be extinct!

You will always have a homeland where your grandchildren can return to know their roots -- the Philippines, China, Europe, Palau, the Bengali Free State. The locals will not.

You choose to kill a culture! For your own selfish convenience.

The likes of Glen Hunter (The Truth Hurts) are ranting all over the Variety blog today about the "double standard" of alien spouses and adoptees being treated differently from guest workers, imputing ill motives to others.

Apparently he is unaware that family unification is a central feature of U.S. immigration law. It is also available to those who return home with U.S. citizen children. When they turn 21, they can petition you.

What we need is more listening, less bloviating.

Voice of Reason said...

Whether or not the people of the CNMI want or need unskilled laborers to do the jobs they can't or don't want to do doesn't matter any more.

It's all up to USCIS now. Professionals and skilled workers are still free to come in under U.S. immigration law -- doctors, nurses, engineers, accountants, machinists, power generation technicians, computer systems administrators, business managers, etc. Nothing has changed for them, and the fears are unnecessary. If you or your employer haven't applied for a visa yet, get to it.

You'll get your green card and then citizenship at least five years later, without any change in the law at all! No status change is needed in this situation.

The big uncertainty is unskilled workers. Whether or not they can stay until 2014, and at what processing charge, and whether that will be extended for another five years, all remain to be seen.

We need to see the USCIS regs!

There is no need at all for Congress to pass a status change law until we see how the DHS labor system is going to operate in the CNMI.

As Kilili has said, this is terribly premature.

There is no need to rush to status, and the cultural genocide claims are equally precocious.

TAGLISH said...

Anon 11:57
We love our country and YES!, we are all going back to our country. And for sure, Chamorro and Carolinian in the US are coming back here too. Who said not? After all, HOME is HOME.
Are we the real culprits here? It’s YOU and people like you, nobody else!
You love your island, then show it to us! You think your culture will be extinct, then do something!! It’s your responsibility to take good care of it. We are not killing it! We are sharing our own cultures, values and pride because we embrace diversity too!

Anonymous said...

We are no different to the many illegals in US, Yes we entered here legally but!have we exercise our workers right? we are bound to the manipulative controls of most employers here, fearing not to be renewed if we speak up, question their controlling systems,, unpaid wages, under paid hours,,etc,,,,so now that there is the federalization, and the recommendation from DOI,, what we need to do now is to merge in one voice and support the recommendation,,allow us not to be citizens or u will go to HELL!!

TheTruthHurts said...

Noni 11:57AM:

Excuse me while I bloviate.

1) "For the indigenous people, this is the only land in the world that they can call their own."

Get your head outta your rear. Indigenous people of the CNMI can stake out any piece of land in the USA and many other areas of the world and call it their own! Who are you to tell them anything else? We are US Citizens and we have a right to the pursuit of property that any other US Citizen has!

2) "If they are displaced or assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, there is nowhere else they can go to get it back."

Culture is a shared belief system it is not a tangible item that can be stolen or a thing that can be killed. A displaced individual that moves to anywhere in the world (practically speaking) can continue to practice their culture and traditions and pass them on from generation to generation. Moving or having more people move to where you are does not mean they miraculously lose there culture. If one choses to quit practicing it that is an individual choice and law in the world will affect that choice.

3) "The indigenous cultures will be extinct!"

The fact that pluralized "indigenous culture(s)" says it all. The only thing that will stop culture (and as you stated the many island cultures) is the individuals who practice the culture. Not the laws and not their neighbors.

4) "You will always have a homeland where your grandchildren can return to know their roots -- the Philippines, China, Europe, Palau, the Bengali Free State. The locals will not."

Will Saipan sink into the sea if the long term guest workers get status? No. We will ALWAYS have Saipan. 50,000 people can come and go and this land will always be here and as long as it is US soil it will be open to all US citizens who WISH to call it home and any other people that get legal entry to our shores and call it home.

5) "You choose to kill a culture!

Unless your culture revolves around ignorance, no one can kill a culture. Or are you speaking of killing people? If that is the case you have bigger issues.

6) "The likes of Glen Hunter (The Truth Hurts) are ranting all over the Variety blog today"

Did the truth hurt? I am the Truth Hurts. You attempt to pin an identity to my nickname as a threat. How terrifying. Take your communistic fear tactics and leave the U.S. I would proudly state I am Glen Hunter. I am sure he has no issue with it. I am him and I am everyone else that shares my mentality and dislikes racism, crony-ism, violence, corruption and the like. I am the Truth and for liars like you it hurts.

7) "Apparently he is unaware that family unification is a central feature of U.S. immigration law"

Apparently you lack reading comprehension skills. I have no issue with US Immigration law and the pathway to Citizenship that opens up when a foreigner marries a US citizen or is adopted by one. I have no problem with anyone having a set path to US Citizenship. You are the one that has a problem with "certain" people (long term workers) getting a pathway to citizenship. You openly call on them to "go home". Guess what? THEY ARE HOME! And they practice the CNMI culture and I love it!

8)"What we need is more listening, less bloviating."

What we really need is less of you.

Anonymous said...

What's the connection of giving US Citizenship to aliens and locals losing their culture?

How can it be extinct? Filipinos, chinese, Mexican, Bangladeshis's culture is still very much visible all over the world.

Anonymous said...

For those non-resident workers who have stayed here long enough, say 10, 15, 20 years or more, federalization before was unrealizable until 2008. Now, think that DOI recommendations are unrealizable as well and see what and when will it happen. Just stay healthy, keep on working and continue to have faith in God! Two years just passed us by just like blink of eyes. Time flies! As for me, I hope Kobe is still playing with the Lakers then so that I could go to Staples Center and see him play. For the meantime, enjoy life and don't overburden the heart. Peace to all!

Anonymous said...

Raising the minimum threshold of stay in the CNMI for the alien workers to be granted immigration status.
What is the difference of the above option to the recommended 5 years of stay? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Think! Think! Think again! Use your big head, guys!
Some points for you to consider
CWs who have stayed here for 8 to 20 years are mostly in their 40s to 60s and of course the most CWs stayed here for 5 to 8 years are the younger workers….so Think!
Are we talking of future hiring here then good luck if you could still hire when other country offers immigration status as early as 2 years.

Anonymous said...

The feds are mad, now and November 2011 is crucial to the local lawmakers, if the feds decided to grant them outright US citizenship, the next thing they will do is to registered as voters, and if that is the case, the current government officials will be in the list of "endangered species"..

Anonymous said...

The federal being mad and fed up is long overdue....

Anonymous said...

Lots and lots of resources have been used and wasted,others put into prisons and serving terms already...What is your stand ?

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:05
You are correct in your statement. I believe this will be one of the main factors in the implementation of whatever action the U.S. takes and when. The threat and possibility of a rapid change of eligible voters in the CNMI with contract workers outnumbering locals would be a political disaster for the current U.S. government. I am sure no matter what action the Feds take, there will be some restrictions on voting eligibility for any change in contract worker status.

Anonymous said...

Noni 7:02am:

So by your statement, "The threat and possibility of a rapid change of eligible voters in the CNMI with contract workers outnumbering locals would be a political disaster for the current U.S. government." One could logically state that our leaders do not want to chance any outsiders from every having a political voice in our CNMI?

I have heard this many times. That they are afraid that people that have lived here for 10+ years may vote. They say racist things like, we might have a filipino governor, as if that is a bad thing. They claim the indigenous will become a minority.

So using your logic can you please explain how a Political leader (I use the term leader very loosely) like Fitial and a Political Leader like Kilili who are both publicly stating their concern for the indigenous and their concern that the indigenous voice will be watered down by foreigners BOTH have spouses that were foreign workers?

If they are so AFRAID of watering down the indigenous vote, if they are terrified of giving foreigners a pathway to citizenship, than why did they make a personal choice that goes totally against their, now public, stance on this issue?

I looked through the Politically elected and the department heads and it appears that a majority are married to foreign spouses. Since that is the case, why the argument against allowing others that are very similar to the people they chose to spend their lives with also share in a pathway to citizenship.

This is not just contained to government officials either. Look at the Chamber of Commerce leaders and who they are married to. Look at the HANMI leaders and who they are married to. Yet they are still the first to say that long-term guest workers should not be granted a pathway to citizenship. What is with this incredibly insane and selfish double standard?

Anonymous said...

Captain and all others who think that we got citizenship with the wave of a wand are wrong. It was a process called the Covenant and was negotiated between two sovereign entities. Nothing for free! My Grandfather who paid the ultimate price with his beheading by the Japanese for being an American spy was a down payment.Our pledge of allegiance, our proud sons and daughters serving and protecting us in the armed forces and our love for America has should we say secured the deal. A process of over 60 years in the making. References to a magic wand making us Americans is an insult to those who have died for the cause.

Anonymous said...

2:51 Yes and children of the OCWs are members of the military and also sacrificing their lives in the war.

Anonymous said...

Noni 1:27 -- You make a very good point. So many Chamorros and Carolinians are not only married to former foreign workers but they divorced their former indigenous spouses to marry them. Others just cheat on their spouses with women they pick up in clubs or massage parlors.

Many mainlanders who support Fitial and opposed federalization also have foreign spouses. These wives must be damn submissive because if I were married to a politician that didn't stand up for my fellow countrymen and support status I would walk! What utter disrespect to their spouses and children. Double standard is an understatement! This shows their true character, which is weak, detached, and selfish.

Wendy said...

Anonymous 7:02:
You said: "I am sure no matter what action the Feds take, there will be some restrictions on voting eligibility for any change in contract worker status."

I am sure of the opposite. If you look at the history of the United States, you will see that our country established laws to give voting rights to former slaves and women. Do you seriously think that the members of the U.S. Congress would pass a law to keep these people disenfranchised and that our President, Barack Obama would sign such a law? Such a law would be undemocratic and un-American. Status for the foreign workers should be U.S. citizenship or green cards and a direct path to U.S. citizenship. Any other status that continues the disenfranchisement or servitude is not reflective of our democratic values and ideals.

Voice of Reason said...

For the first time ever in the history of the United States, the U.S. Department of Commerce has done the same analysis of territorial gross domestic product (GDP) that it has long done for the rest of our nation. (Thank you, Governor Fitial, for insisting that the CNMI be treated equally! And thank you, Nikolao Pula.) On Wednesday, DoC issued a report for 2002 to 2007.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/general/2010/pdf/DCrelease_final.pdf

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) still has not issued its regulations for the Transition Program guest workers, including transferrability and fees payable by prospective employers.

It would be horribly premature to grant such status to our hard-working guest workers until we have had the USCIS regs in place for some time to see how employers will react to them and how many workers will actually be hired under the Transition Program or how many unskilled workers are actually needed.

(Managers, professionals and skilled workers should already be applying for their USCIS visas.)

The unilateral grant of green cards to all workers with more than five years on-island would likely further exacerbate the CNMI's economic woes. Certainly, in the absence of evidence of what it will do to the CNMI's economy and culture, the default action should be to study the situation and get data.

As pointed out by Zaldy Dandan in his thoughful editorial today, instead of the confrontational brute-force approach through Congress, which most locals consider disrespectful because it completely ignores the consequences to them and their future, worker advocates should reach out to the local community and try to win its support, including our political leaders.

This aggressive rush for quick action -- including attacks by Glen Hunter on U.S. citizens with former guest worker spouses who believe in the USCIS family unification laws -- actually serves to delay the final resolution of guest workers' status. There is no shortcut around the indigenous people of these islands.

One thing that might ameliorate any adversity on the CNMI would be if the feds not only gave green cards, but also offered free one-way tickets, to Guam, Hawaii, the mainland, or their home countries.

After all their hard work, and so many people being victimized, a free trip is the least they deserve. Humility and creativity go a long way.

The Saipan Blogger said...

30 years after the current contract workers are all granted citizenship they will be just as anti-federal government as all the locals are today.

That's not a matter of race, it is a matter of geography. And a matter of time, too.

Anonymous said...

Angelo,

You are stuck on stupid.

Anonymous said...

(begin sarcasm in an effort to make the commenter above see the holes in his logic):

Noni 6:52am,

"As pointed out by Zaldy Dandan in his thoughful editorial today,"

Man that Zaldy! Doesn't he know his place?!

How dare he attack me. I am a local and a US Citizen here in the CNMI and he is constantly leveling a barrage of editorials and columns. WTF!

Can you please rewrite your comment and address it to Zaldy. Tell him what you think. And what he himself is preaching in today's column.

Go on. Tell him that he is nothing but a contract worker. Tell him that he should get a green card and a one way ticket off this island. I mean he has only lived here for what, 20 years? C'mon where does he get off thinking he has a voice? What a piece of trash. I can't believe the other locals even buy that paper. Don't they feel like you do, noni? That guest workers should know their place and not step out of line?

I must say though, noni, that I am very upset that you quoted him. He is just a guest worker. Please do not quote him and get people to thinking that what they, those people, say matters.

(end sarcasm)

Noni 6:52, you are a racist and a bigot!

Zaldy,

Keep writing and keep speaking. I am glad you were quoted even though I don't agree with your quote. I am an AMERICAN and you have every right to speak and say what you feel. Just remember though, Zaldy, if the locals don't like what you have to say and if they feel badgered or feel that your words hit their ears with brute-force that is no reason for you to stop writing. You keep badgering. You keep "confronting" the issues. You keep up you "brute force" attacks on the administration and on any policy you so choose.

I hear people say that you, Zaldy, are the reason that "the locals" son't want guest workers to get US Citizenship. They say that you are too talkative and too confrontational. They say that you disrespect us.

That, like noni 6:52's comment, is hog wash! You perform and carry yourself like a shinning example of a member of this community. A community based on US Soil. A community that is supposed to be a true democracy. We are getting there.

Thanks again Zaldy!

Keep up the brute force and controversial attacks!

Anonymous said...

"attacks by Glen Hunter on U.S. citizens with former guest worker spouses who believe in the USCIS family unification laws "

I see. So pointing out that individuals who are aggressively fighting against the granting of US Citizenship for long term guest workers happen to be married to long-term guest workers is an attack. Can you explain why you would receive it as an attack? Is that fact something that they should be ashamed of? If not, how is it an attack.

You really need some help.

Anonymous said...

You stated: "One thing that might ameliorate any adversity on the CNMI would be if the feds not only gave green cards, but also offered free one-way tickets, to Guam, Hawaii, the mainland, or their home countries."


I have a better idea. Anyone in the CNMI (this US Commonwealth) that does not believe that a person who has lived in the CNMI for 5, 10, 20+ years should be given a voice in the government that is supposed to represent him gets a one way ticket to North Korea.

Get off your bum and go out. Talk to the long term guest workers. Talk to the guy that has lived in CK for the last 23 years. He has three kids. He has been working at the company since 1987. He has been paying taxes here for 23 years. He speaks Chamorro. He has been attending church at the Cathedral since before it was a cathedral. He was here before a single stop light was put in. He was here before Macdonalds. HE WAS HERE LONGER THAN MANY 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 YEAR OLD PEOPLE THAT CAN VOTE WERE HERE.

You, a US Citizen, look on that and you are fine? What is wrong with you. Where do you come from. It is despicable. He deserves equality. You deserve to turn in your blue book and head over to North Korea where people share your xenophobic tendencies.

Anonymous said...

6:52
Voice of Reason? NOT!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

People sure are quick to hurl "racism" and "bigotry" cards at those they disagree with, aren't they!

If someone has been here 23 years with three children, if one of those were born here, they should soon be old enough to petition him. So no change in law is needed.

Note that most of the examples used in favor of "status for all" have been those here over 15 years. Then we had the Dekada (10 years) movement. Now we are down to 5 years, and Angelo has proposed even lower.

Sure, I'm in favor of eliminating all border controls, and letting anyone live and work anywhere they wish. Great. Sounds good. Like the $100 minumum wage. Great in some ideal, abstract world.

Slight problem, though. What happens when too many people all want to live in one place? What happens then to that society?

And what about when that society is a very small, geographically isolated one, and the people were admitted there on the express condition that their residence would not confer any immigration privileges!

Sure, it is great to be compassionate. The Bible says to care for the alien in our midst, and some employers over the past decades have not been applying that in their lives very well.

But sometimes the best way to help people in times of local economic decline is to send them back to their homelands or, if the feds don't mind, on to Guam, Hawaii, and the mainland.

Compassion is misguided when it hurts the very people who have lived here hundreds or thousands of years, people who have nowhere else to return to.

If anything, it is the Green Cards for All crowd that is racist.

Glen Hunter criticizes Zaldy for not supporting his fellow aliens.

Well, guess what, Glen? Zaldy is not a guest worker. He got his green card legally from marrying a U.S. citizen. Unfortunately the marriage did not last, but he is playing by the rules and has every right to be here.

Glen criticizes people like Fitial and Kilili for having foreign-born wives but not being supportive enough of their kababayan. That's the real racism -- calling people hypocrites because they support the rule of law rather than the clan-based or ethnicity-based politics that the so-called progressive attack-dogs like him espouse.

Where is the true racism? Date and marry locally and then feel good by advocating Green Cards for All without care to economic and social consequences? Or have spouses, business associates, and friends of other ethnicities, and adhere to the rule of law?

The deepest racism we have in this argument are those who falsely accuse others of racism based on whether they rely more on emotion or reason.

Why did God give us brains?

Social change and demographic change will happen in any event. Even without any status change at all, more and more immigrants will be joining us due to the family unification provisions already in place since November 4, 1986.

If you don't like it, you don't have to marry one. The rest of us celebrate our diversity in practice every day -- not by hurling insults of racism against those who don't agree with us.

Why don't you go to North Korea?!

The Saipan Blogger said...

Voice of reason? I know who that is!

Anonymous said...

So, Angelo, when are you coming out to visit?

Anonymous said...

!0:39

Dekada? The group that took $100 from poor OCWs and refused to share a treasurer's report? Was it because Bonny Sagana got a car and Woodruff pocketed the rest? Sweet!

Dekada? The turncoat group that backs Siemer? BRAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Anonymous said...

10:39 Why are you addressing Glen Hunter? Did he even comment here?

Anonymous said...

@noni 2:51

"My Grandfather who paid the ultimate price with his beheading by the Japanese for being an American spy was a down payment"

Our Grandfathers also joined the Americans during WW2, our people helped the americans, our people died helping them.

"our proud sons and daughters serving and protecting us in the armed forces and our love for America has should we say secured the deal"

We also have Sons and daughters, husbands and wives, relatives who are serving the armed forces.

The Saipan Blogger said...

Glen accounts for about half the anonymous comments on the Saipan blogosphere. He posts as The Truth Hurts, Saipan Daily Yapper, Saipan Fake News, Pragmatic Plato, and Lil Hammerhead.

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The fact that contract workers were brought to Saipan for decades with no chance of US citizenship does not negate the fact that doing so was immoral. The immigration system in the CNMI was immoral, unjust and un-American; that is why the United States Congress took it over.

If you can't understand that then you don't understand what it means to be American. If you don't understand what it means to be American, then it makes sense why you are confused with the issues taking place in the CNMI today.

That system has ended and now a fair deal has to be given to those who were given a raw deal for so many years. That is the reality. If you can't understand that, you need to try harder.

Being indigenous does not give you a free pass to act like an asshole and run roughshod over people's lives. Being indigenous does not grant any special rights; if anything, it demands more responsibility.

The right thing to do is to give contract workers a shot at a better life. If they qualify for citizenship, they should be allowed to apply. No special considerations should be given just because they have lived in the CNMI and the barrier to citizenship because they have been in the CNMI should be lifted. Any time they spent in the CNMI should could towards the requirements to gain US citizenship. That is fair to the contract workers and it is fair to the US citizens in the CNMI.

But that's just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

So Zaldy who always puts down foreigners for wanting citizenship is a US green card holder? BRAHAHAHAHAHA!

Anonymous said...

"Glen Hunter criticizes Zaldy for not supporting his fellow aliens."

I would love to read where, Glen Hunter criticized Zaldy for this. LOL

Anonymous said...

I not Glen raised the question:

How can a person be okay with granting a long-term guest worker a pathway to US citizenship simply because they married them and not for everyone else who opted not to marry them.

Pretty darn selfish and hypocritical anyway you try and cut it.

Anonymous said...

Zaldy does not have a green card.

Anonymous said...

Angelo,

Wow. You really got a thing for Glen don't you. Seems like it may be an issue. You may want to double check you facts or better yet just stay fixated on your wanna be lover, Glen. Sad really.

99% of ALL comment on the world-wide blogosphere are anonymous.

The nicknames you rattled off must have really shook your cage and your friend Jeff. Go pay him a visit. LOL

Poor things.

Anonymous said...

Noni 2:48pm,

Wouldn't that be funny. Talk about the height of selfish hypocrisy. He puts down fellow foreign workers who would like a better status because he may have gotten his already. LOL

Where was the war rally when he sent in his green card application? Where were the angry indigenous?

Anonymous said...

Angelo,

If Glen is all of those commenters than he needs to run for Governor! Man. All he woulkd have to do is prove that he authored those posts and he would win by a landslide.

I miss Lil and Plato and Yapper :-(

Glad he is still doing The Truth Hurts.

Appears that it is hurting some more than others.

Biba Glen!

Anonymous said...

No wonder why Zaldy don't like U.S to grant greencard to contract workers coz he has one already. What a selfish fish!

Divorced early?? USCIS please look at Zaldy's married it could be a sham. Hell who knows?

Tom Cruz

Anonymous said...

I did not know Glen Hunter personally but, I sometimes talk to him. Boy, I could tell you this guy have a big heart very nice person.

Keep up the good work Glen.....

Tom Cruz

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:39

your piece is one of the most senseless posts i've ever read, next to GC's of TT.

i don't care who the truthhurts is but i admire his posting and lil hammerhead(2), captain, mr. coffee,writers with brains & hearts and even sometimes saipan blogger (although i dont always agree with what he say's), he has brains.

as for zaldy, well he's been so skeptical even before. he said before that federal take over is far from happening(not the exact words). what now Zaldy?

and to that blogger that said,"If someone wants to be a U.S. Citizen, then they need to go through the process, which is extensive. Congress is not going to wave a magic wand and make everyone citizens." OFCOURSE, WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS LEGALLY, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY". we are not waiting for the magic wand coz it has been used before here in Saipan.

Anonymous said...

obviously Angelo can't move on...he still have ill feelings about Glen because Tina chose the latter..

ai adai!!!

Anonymous said...

is that true? gossip. i'd better go and ask tina. from the looks, i will pick Glen too! good choice tina.tina really has beauty and BRAINS! by the way Angelo is equally handsome.

kidding aside,. i have to reread all of saipan blogger's postings. i'm confused where he stands. pro or con in granting aliens US citizenship?

truthhurts's, thank you posting some bible verses about the aliens. additional knowledge learned today.

Anonymous said...

Noni 10:39,

You said, "Social change and demographic change will happen in any event. Even without any status change at all, "


Really? Then why do you give a rat's ass if DOI recommends giving them a change in status?

You guys need to learn basic logic and thinking skills.

Anonymous said...

Angelo, under U.S. immigration law you aren't eligible for a green card merely based on years of lawful residence. One must have had an immigrant visa.

Non-immigrant visas, such as student, tourist, temporaray worker, business, consular, etc., don't count.

If Zaldy doesn't have a green card, he does have a U.S. citizen child who can petition him in less than ten years. So he is wise not to be worried.

The same goes for a majority of those here now. They will ultimately get status even if Congress never acts.

Anonymous said...

But some foreign national workers don't have U.S. citizen children. Why should they be punished?

Are you suggesting we reward guest workers who commit adultery or fornicate, while those who stick to business or remain loyal to their wives back in Bangladesh get removed?

We need to have some equity here.

And Interior should let us know how many are here in every longevity category -- year by year.

Anonymous said...

Noni 2:55am,

Everyone knows that you need an "immigrant visa" to obtain a pathway to citizenship for foreign workers.

Use your head. Try and stretch your mind. Prior to Nov 28 the CNMI did not have any capacity to grant an immigrant visa.

When Congress decided to take over immigration here they mulled over granting grandfathering status to workers that (similarly) would have had an immigrant visa in the US or a pathway to citizenship.

You can argue all you want but the US immigration system and anyone true American would not condone having someone stay and live and work for years on end (some as long as 27 years) on US soil without such a pathway. That goes against the American spirit and true democracy!

What is happening now is a process to address the thousands of guest workers who were restricted to second class citizens over the past decades in the CNMI. You would see that if you took your head out of the sand.

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You said, "If Zaldy doesn't have a green card, he does have a U.S. citizen child who can petition him in less than ten years. So he is wise not to be worried."

So let me get this straight. You have no problem with a foreign worker having a kid out here and petitioning for citizenship and getting US citizenship. You have no problem with a foreign worker marrying a citizen and getting US citizenship. But, you have a problem with a foreign worker laboring for 20 years on US soil and working with Congress to obtain a pathway to US Citizenship?

So, in your mind, it is only okay if that person sleep with you or had a baby here. Otherwise, it is JUST WRONG!

No sense what-so-ever.

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"The same goes for a majority of those here now. They will ultimately get status even if Congress never acts."

If that is the case than why are you and the Fitialies fighting tooth and nail against it. Sheer stupidity? I mean if you truly believe this, why are you wasting time posting blogs about it? Why is fitial fighting and suing the feds?

Your comment is like swiss cheese. It is full of holes!

Anonymous said...

No holes.

Your argument: Most of they don't need it in the long run, but let's give it to them now.

Counter-argument. Most of they don't need it in the long run, so why give it to them now?

Decisions like this need facts, analysis, and study.

What effect will it have on the people of the CNMI if our block grants for poor people's food and health have twice as many receipients but the same funding? Will the U.S. increase the funding?

Or will it be as effective as the transition has been to date?

How many foreign national workers are there for each year of longevity? (8 years, 12 years, 15 years, etc.)

Why is Interior hiding this information or not responding fully to Question #3 to Congress?

No one is against fair and equitable treatment of our hard-working guest workers.

What many people oppose, however, is an emotional rush to judgment of the sort that has produced so many other travesties here in the CNMI.

Were there any studies done before Rexford C. Kosack brought the garment industry here in 1984?

If so, they weren't good enough.

What about when the minimum wage was increased. You see the consequences of the lack of such a study around you every day in the form of increased unemployment.

We shouldn't make the same mistake again.

Wendy said...

Who are you people? Seriously, I am not posting anymore comments attacking Glen Hunter, or Zaldy for that matter. Nowhere did Glen sign his name, yet some how he is the target of many of these really odd comments. Who cares what Zaldy's status is?

This is an important issue. Please can you people stay on topic and address the issue?

Anonymous said...

"Why is Interior hiding this information or not responding fully to Question #3 to Congress?"

Why did YOUR OWN CNMI IMMIGRATION AND LABOR HIDE all statistic information regardin number of aliens and breakdown from not only DOI but us citizens for the many years they had the info?

Where was your angst then? Where were your torches?

Nadda. Or as Kilili puts it natting!

You are pathetic.

Anonymous said...

"We shouldn't make the same mistake again."

You are right.

That is why Feds took over immigration and that is why we are correcting the mistakes and atrocities that occurred when we controlled immigration.

Anonymous said...

When one can not attack the message they fall back on tride and true "local-style" tactics and they attempt to attack the messenger.

Even if that was and is any person they mentioned posting. It doesn't appear that it has ever stopped the many posts from occurring.

This Administration must hate technology and the internet and these blogs :)

Anonymous said...

Noni 10:56 AM,

It's been exactly two years to the day since the CNRA was passed.

The Feds are in charge now. They have been since November 28, 2009. Guess what? DHS still hasn't issued any regs or even done any sort of alien registration!

They are asleep at the switch. And DHS can't even tell when someone is leaving the CNMI, with their highly vaunted system.

Blaming CNMI labor for its statistics or lack thereof is a day late and a dollar short. You are like Obama's supporters, blaming everything on Bush.

"Tride" (sic) and true tactics. They won't wash on May 18, 2010 at the Congressional hearing, and won't fly on Election Day, November 2, 2010.

Biba Kilili!

Anonymous said...

It's been exactly two years to the day since the CNRA was passed.

And only now is the CNMI attempting to put together a position and recommendation to Congress. LOL

Little late. Majorly rushed. Will be incredibly biased and inaccurate.

Anonymous said...

The CNMI was asleep at the wheel for 30 years. Heck. They still are. Where are any statistics on guest workers here in 2009? The 90's? The 80's?

Shame!

Yes. Those tactics won't wash at the hearing. You can tell just by reading the GAO report. They are not blind to your silly games.

Shame!

Anonymous said...

YES! MAY 16th!